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Armstrong HA 1325.

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Created by longboard > 9 months ago, 12 Sep 2021
longboard
165 posts
12 Sep 2021 2:53PM
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I'm hearing rumors of this HA foil dropping onto the market soon.
As a light wind option I'm thinking this one could be another game changer.
Maybe not very rippable because of the wingspan but given the pedigree of the other 2 Armie HA foils - a pumper & glider of note!

Here's to hoping the rumors are true!

Anyone have any info on this possible release.?

emmafoils
307 posts
12 Sep 2021 5:42PM
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There was apparently a 1325 available for demo at the AWSI in Hood River this weekend. I have no further details. Would like to know the AR or span.

longboard
165 posts
12 Sep 2021 5:48PM
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emmafoils said..
There was apparently a 1325 available for demo at the AWSI in Hood River this weekend. I have no further details. Would like to know the AR or span.


I'm guessing same AR as the 925 & 1125...
Really looking forward to this release!

north_kiter
NSW, 144 posts
12 Sep 2021 9:08PM
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given their sizes scale linear, with 96 mm span differences and 200cm2 surface area between 1125 and 925, specs should be similar to



calculations to determine aspect ratio
a = wing span
b = surface area
ar = aspect ratio

therefore
ar = a x a / b

If the HA725 is a wing with a span of 800 and surface area of 840cm2, take my money now!




baldy123
WA, 267 posts
12 Sep 2021 7:28PM
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725 & 925

stroppo
WA, 695 posts
12 Sep 2021 8:15PM
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I definitely want a 725 this might just be what I need to crack 30kts

north_kiter
NSW, 144 posts
12 Sep 2021 10:29PM
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I'd rather sacrifice aspect ratio for more volume and less span, speaking as a foiler of 95-100kg and less foil isn't always more.

I like to wing and majority of foiling is kiting, drifting kite and carving harbour chop and powered carving turns, and boosting jumps, would love to prone but I live in Sydney. A foil with a span over 800mm is just too wide for this, and you notice all the top foils of Armstrong for carving are less than 800mm wide, or even 700mm wide.

I can hold a lot of pressure into a powered kite foil carving turn, but 800mm span is max and anything over just throws me, and the 800 throws me often too as the g's are crazy really cranking turns under kite power.

When a foil is too high aspect, the minimum cruising speed goes up and you over run waves/chop too quickly, which quickly becomes boring, well if you like to carve that is.

I like speed too, but a mid aspect foil is more than enough and can usually reach 20-30knots, which is more than fast enough if you're not racing.

leepasty
115 posts
12 Sep 2021 11:19PM
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north_kiter said..
I'd rather sacrifice aspect ratio for more volume and less span, speaking as a foiler of 95-100kg and less foil isn't always more.

I like to wing and majority of foiling is kiting, drifting kite and carving harbour chop and powered carving turns, and boosting jumps, would love to prone but I live in Sydney. A foil with a span over 800mm is just too wide for this, and you notice all the top foils of Armstrong for carving are less than 800mm wide, or even 700mm wide.

I can hold a lot of pressure into a powered kite foil carving turn, but 800mm span is max and anything over just throws me, and the 800 throws me often too as the g's are crazy really cranking turns under kite power.

When a foil is too high aspect, the minimum cruising speed goes up and you over run waves/chop too quickly, which quickly becomes boring, well if you like to carve that is.

I like speed too, but a mid aspect foil is more than enough and can usually reach 20-30knots, which is more than fast enough if you're not racing.


For sure the 1325 is not a wing for kiting but will be awesome for those of us over 85kg for light wind wing & downwind prone/sup riding ??

north_kiter
NSW, 144 posts
13 Sep 2021 6:28AM
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As long as it is not too wide, in my opinion over 1m is too wide, and turns are more drawn out, fun factor quickly diminishing depending on your use case, mine is kite/wing/prone.

I haven't ridden the HA1125, but I have ridden over 1m wings from other brands. I guess the guys who ride the HA1125 can speak to that.

The Phantasm 926 foil looks great and is 1233cm2, 926mm, aspect ratio 6.95

leepasty
115 posts
13 Sep 2021 6:29PM
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north_kiter said..
As long as it is not too wide, in my opinion over 1m is too wide, and turns are more drawn out, fun factor quickly diminishing depending on your use case, mine is kite/wing/prone.

I haven't ridden the HA1125, but I have ridden over 1m wings from other brands. I guess the guys who ride the HA1125 can speak to that.

The Phantasm 926 foil looks great and is 1233cm2, 926mm, aspect ratio 6.95


I'd say the Phantasm is more similar to the hs1250 than the ha1125 but more like the Axis bsc range or Shinn supahydro.
you really should try the Armstrong ha wings the 925 is amazing, wide but super fast and turny

johnj2000
11 posts
7 Oct 2021 2:05PM
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Anyone have any info on this possible release ha1325? ...... I'm practically drooling just thinking about it.

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
7 Oct 2021 4:14PM
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They are close. Guys are chopping them already. I will get one and chop it to get it to turn, there should still be enough glide still. www.facebook.com/groups/194277485335294/permalink/446427740120266/




longboard
165 posts
7 Oct 2021 4:23PM
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My dealer reckons a release this month...
I'll be front of the queue for one for sure.

johnj2000
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7 Oct 2021 5:44PM
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hilly said..
They are close. Guys are chopping them already. I will get one and chop it to get it to turn, there should still be enough glide still. www.facebook.com/groups/194277485335294/permalink/446427740120266/





ok but are we sure that 1325 chopped (surface about 1125) is overall better than 1125? i think having 1125 i will definitely keep 1325 unchopped for maximum support + glide ..... but we'll see

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
7 Oct 2021 9:12PM
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johnj2000 said..

hilly said..
They are close. Guys are chopping them already. I will get one and chop it to get it to turn, there should still be enough glide still. www.facebook.com/groups/194277485335294/permalink/446427740120266/





ok but are we sure that 1325 chopped (surface about 1125) is overall better than 1125? i think having 1125 i will definitely keep 1325 unchopped for maximum support + glide ..... but we'll see


I am 105kg so found the 1125 a bit on the dainty side.

johnj2000
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19 Oct 2021 2:29PM
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johnj2000 said..
Anyone have any info on this possible release ha1325? ...... I'm practically drooling just thinking about it.


it does not seem possible to see the dawn of this 1325 .... a little sad

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
22 Oct 2021 8:40AM
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Talk to your retailer, 725 and 1325 released next week. Lots more to come through Nov and Dec.

windrider323
VIC, 46 posts
22 Oct 2021 11:34AM
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hilly said..
Talk to your retailer, 725 and 1325 released next week. Lots more to come through Nov and Dec.


Did you hear about more foil sizes Hilly? Or just the tail?

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
22 Oct 2021 11:20AM
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windrider323 said..Did you hear about more foil sizes Hilly? Or just the tail?



Plus 1525/525 and 190 tail by end of year, apparently.

longboard
165 posts
22 Oct 2021 4:42PM
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You going for the 1325 or 1525 Hilly...?

As a light wind option - I can't wait...!

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
22 Oct 2021 6:12PM
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longboard said..
You going for the 1325 or 1525 Hilly...?

As a light wind option - I can't wait...!


1325 and clip it

johnj2000
11 posts
22 Oct 2021 6:22PM
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hilly said..
Talk to your retailer, 725 and 1325 released next week. Lots more to come through Nov and Dec.


Thaks a lot hilly I've 925 and 1125 and I'll buy both new HA

longboard
165 posts
22 Oct 2021 7:05PM
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hilly said..


longboard said..
You going for the 1325 or 1525 Hilly...?

As a light wind option - I can't wait...!




1325 and clip it



Nooooooo!

longboard
165 posts
28 Oct 2021 9:30PM
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My HA1325 has arrived...!
Picking it up on Saturday for a burn...yeeeuuuw!!

johnj2000
11 posts
29 Oct 2021 2:09PM
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Mine in 15 days ..... the money is already gone ........ hoping for your (unclipped) review

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
29 Oct 2021 7:07PM
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johnj2000 said..
Mine in 15 days ..... the money is already gone ........ hoping for your (unclipped) review


Mine comes next week. Clipped same day

longboard
165 posts
30 Oct 2021 3:43PM
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Comparison of the 1125 vs 1325...FWIW...
Virtually identical plan form.
Still haven't flown it yet...

jonescb
NSW, 25 posts
30 Oct 2021 7:18PM
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longboard said..



Comparison of the 1125 vs 1325...FWIW...
Virtually identical plan form.
Still haven't flown it yet...


Looks rad! So what is the wingspan?

longboard
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30 Oct 2021 9:14PM
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jonescb said..

longboard said..



Comparison of the 1125 vs 1325...FWIW...
Virtually identical plan form.
Still haven't flown it yet...



Looks rad! So what is the wingspan?


1164mm...

dejavu
688 posts
31 Oct 2021 12:38AM
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If the area is 1325 sq. cm. and the span is 116.4 cm. then the aspect ratio is 10.2:1. If true, that's the highest aspect ratio I've seen for a front foil wing to date! It will be interesting to hear feedback.

Some other similar HA ratio wings tend to carry more of their area out towards the wing tips and appear to have a narrower chord -- not sure how this translates on the water performance wise.

Pacey
WA, 516 posts
31 Oct 2021 5:56AM
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dejavu said...
Some other similar HA ratio wings tend to carry more of their area out towards the wing tips and appear to have a narrower chord -- not sure how this translates on the water performance wise.


Having broader tips reduces the local loading at the tips and makes tip stall less likely, however you can also do that with washout (twist) or a reduction in camber at the tips (aerodynamic twist). Without being able to inspect the wing closely its hard to say what path Armstrong have taken, however the number of people who report less tip stall when Armstrong HA wings are chopped suggests that the the tips are a little overloaded.



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