Somewhere I saw the 90L is about 6.4Kg so about average for a production board and similar to the Outwit series. Still super happy with the 100L Outwit and nice to see he kept the wacky concave rail. Always looked weird to me but seems to work well enough.
Is there any subtle concave in the top deck- versus fanatic sky? If not is there a reason why not?
Select to expand quoteThatspec said..
Somewhere I saw the 90L is about 6.4Kg so about average for a production board and similar to the Outwit series. Still super happy with the 100L Outwit and nice to see he kept the wacky concave rail. Always looked weird to me but seems to work well enough.
Seems a bit heavy to me,although it is on par with most of what manufacturers are offering.
My Naish Hover Ultra 5.2/85l is 5.2kg and my Custom Limit Waves 5.8/98l is also 5.2kg.
Both are holding up fine,so it can be done.
Are we getting overbuilt boards?, or is it just poor materials/construction methods?.
These boards only need serious structural strenght at the foilbox and stance area.Plus impact protection on the rails and tips.
The rest is just volume.
60 l. - 5.6kg
75 l. - 6.2kg
90 l. - 6.5kg
120l. - 7.6kg
The real question is why are wing boards so expensive? I think Slingshot overpriced their boards.
Select to expand quotemcrt said..Thatspec said..
Somewhere I saw the 90L is about 6.4Kg so about average for a production board and similar to the Outwit series. Still super happy with the 100L Outwit and nice to see he kept the wacky concave rail. Always looked weird to me but seems to work well enough.
Seems a bit heavy to me,although it is on par with most of what manufacturers are offering.
My Naish Hover Ultra 5.2/85l is 5.2kg and my Custom Limit Waves 5.8/98l is also 5.2kg.
Both are holding up fine,so it can be done.
Are we getting overbuilt boards?, or is it just poor materials/construction methods?.
These boards only need serious structural strenght at the foilbox and stance area.Plus impact protection on the rails and tips.
The rest is just volume.
This is a really tough one and to say the brands are over building them is hard to say as well. You have to look at the bigger picture and what is the warranty rate as the boards start to get lighter and lighter. Yes we can make boards in the 90L 5kg range but to do it consistently with out warranty's and in a construction that people are happy with long term so the board will last 2, 3 ,4 season's is maybe a different story. If you have a 90L low 5kg board then this is pretty light for where the market is at and I would say it would more than likely ding pretty easy so are people happy with a fragile board for that little extra weight savings? or do people want there board to last for the little extra weight? I am super rough with my boards and hate dinging them or getting depressions in them when we chuck them in the van so for me I love a board that i don't have to baby.
I can only really speak for the boards we make and a 90L molded sandwich board is say 5.7- 6ish kg but they will last and we have zero warranty which from my side I am pretty happy about. On our side we only use the very best materials and this is to achieve the above and achieve it consistently so everyone pretty much gets the same.
Just remember all the topics on seabreeze over the years where boards fall apart and people bash a brand for having something go wrong and then also wonder why the boards might get over built( which IMO is a good thing). In my experience when someone is paying $2000 for a board they want it to last more than one season so adding a few grams to get this is not that bad in my book.
I should also note that there are some out there who also do make some pretty cheap heavy boards and still charge top dollar which kinda sucks but time usually sorts this out.
This is just MO so i don't speak for the other brands but thought you might just like to hear from someone who makes quite a few foilboards and see my side.
Jacko
Select to expand quotepaul.j said..mcrt said..
This is a really tough one and to say the brands are over building them is hard to say as well. You have to look at the bigger picture and what is the warranty rate as the boards start to get lighter and lighter. Yes we can make boards in the 90L 5kg range but to do it consistently with out warranty's and in a construction that people are happy with long term so the board will last 2, 3 ,4 season's is maybe a different story. If you have a 90L low 5kg board then this is pretty light for where the market is at and I would say it would more than likely ding pretty easy so are people happy with a fragile board for that little extra weight savings? or do people want there board to last for the little extra weight? I am super rough with my boards and hate dinging them or getting depressions in them when we chuck them in the van so for me I love a board that i don't have to baby.
I can only really speak for the boards we make and a 90L molded sandwich board is say 5.7- 6ish kg but they will last and we have zero warranty which from my side I am pretty happy about. On our side we only use the very best materials and this is to achieve the above and achieve it consistently so everyone pretty much gets the same.
Just remember all the topics on seabreeze over the years where boards fall apart and people bash a brand for having something go wrong and then also wonder why the boards might get over built( which IMO is a good thing). In my experience when someone is paying $2000 for a board they want it to last more than one season so adding a few grams to get this is not that bad in my book.
I should also note that there are some out there who also do make some pretty cheap heavy boards and still charge top dollar which kinda sucks but time usually sorts this out.
This is just MO so i don't speak for the other brands but thought you might just like to hear from someone who makes quite a few foilboards and see my side.
Jacko
Yes, i did like to hear your side.And sorry if my post was a bit abrasive to manufacturers,my bad.
I have no experience whatsoever in the industry(i just buy&use gear and i understand the compromises you have to face.
Everything looks so easy and simple from the outside until you actually try to do it :)
Thanks for chipping in.
Select to expand quoteZeroVix said..
60 l. - 5.6kg
75 l. - 6.2kg
90 l. - 6.5kg
120l. - 7.6kg
The real question is why are wing boards so expensive? I think Slingshot overpriced their boards.
Agree ! thanks for the Wait! Pretty heavy board for the price. Got an Armstrong 5'5 80L and it s 5.2 Kg. Theses are the lightest board i found expected custom one.
