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Looking for comparison between 7M and 8M F-One CWC Strike

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Created by SquintEastwood 4 months ago, 13 Jan 2022
SquintEastwood
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13 Jan 2022 8:52AM
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Has anyone had experience comparing the light wind ability of the 7M and 8M Strikes? I'm wondering, if for my weight of 75kg, how much more low end the 8M would offer over the 7M.

Velocicraptor
196 posts
13 Jan 2022 10:54PM
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Im curious too. This video compares the 6 and 7 and was somewhat informative.

Jeroensurf
633 posts
14 Jan 2022 12:41AM
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Dominic Hoskyns made some very informative video,s about the Slick 7m v Strike 8m and lightwind in general.



Alysum
NSW, 886 posts
15 Jan 2022 7:15AM
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At your weight you only need the 6m max... I have the CWC 6m at 78kg.

NordRoi
463 posts
15 Jan 2022 5:23AM
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again, hope you are saying that after comparing a 6-7-8.
a bigger hand wing means a smaller front wing. If you sail on lakes, river with light wind, it makes a super big difference on the fun factor! I can use a 5m and start foiling at around 10 knts with a bigger front wing. However 7m in 7-10 knts with a smaller front wing.it's def feel less mow the lawn

Velocicraptor
196 posts
25 Jan 2022 9:25PM
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Just unpacked my 7m. Was surprised to find it in a colorway that isn't shown anywhere on the FOne websit - Slate with some mango accents. This wing is very large in every respect. The leading edge is just massive. I threw it on the scale and it's about 2735 g (without leash) which actually isn't too bad (Cabrinha x2 7m is 2860 g and Slingshot v3 7.5m is 3385 g). Will add more relevant info when I ride it next week.

dejavu
676 posts
29 Jan 2022 1:37AM
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northy1
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4 Feb 2022 8:02AM
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Velocicraptor said..
Just unpacked my 7m. Was surprised to find it in a colorway that isn't shown anywhere on the FOne websit - Slate with some mango accents. This wing is very large in every respect. The leading edge is just massive. I threw it on the scale and it's about 2735 g (without leash) which actually isn't too bad (Cabrinha x2 7m is 2860 g and Slingshot v3 7.5m is 3385 g). Will add more relevant info when I ride it next week.


hi what's the 7m wingspan....tempted to replace 6m unit but worried it will be too big...im a short arse at 175cm

nayy
24 posts
6 Feb 2022 10:04PM
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We wing most of the time on an inland lake with very crappy anemic wind, and have the 8m? cwc... very powerfull but feels 'light' for it's size... cannot comment about the 7, but for a 68 kg with a big foil the 8 will be usable in 7-12 knots probably... maybe 6 knots... will be teste in the comings months...here some footage:unboxing:



first session with the 8m?



some more drone footage

Velocicraptor
196 posts
7 Feb 2022 2:51AM
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I just spent several days on the 7m cwc. Here are some random thoughts.

I didn't get around to measuring it but it feels similar in wingspan to my 6.2m mantis.
you can throw it around MUCH easier than other big wings I have tried. Basically handles at least 1m smaller than it's size and probably more. You can hang it very neutral above your head during light wind jibes and I wasn't finding myself outrunning it (which I have found with other big wings). Tacks and 360s were as easy as I've felt on a wing this big.

pumping is VERY back hand oriented. I was pumping it in circles with two hands like I pump other wings and it wasn't working. Once I figured out the back hand thing I could pop it up very efficiently. This makes sense when you look at the design which has a lot more length - the additional surface area is on the trailing edge. Basically start the wing really high above your head, pump some small circles to get moving then get very aggressive with the back hand pumps and you are up.

I would guess the low end for me is somewhere around 10 knots with a 1200 sqcm mid aspect foil. Maybe 9 knots in flat water. I also rode it up to high teens and it felt totally manageable. Luffed very nicely as well.

overall pretty happy with this one. Saved several sessions for me and was considerably more fun than many 6m wings I have tried.

a little surprised how soft the batten struts are.
the handles are fine. I don't love them but they do the trick. Wish they were stiffer and more taught.
flipping the wing over is pretty annoying. No surprise given how big it is.

people are getting excited about a 7m ocean rodeo glide but I think that the cwc design is better for this use (unless the design is a lot different for the 7m size on the glide). The glide doesn't have grunt like the cwc. It's a design profile thing not a size thing.

BigZ
126 posts
7 Feb 2022 9:30AM
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Velocicraptor said..
I just spent several days on the 7m cwc. Here are some random thoughts.

I didn't get around to measuring it but it feels similar in wingspan to my 6.2m mantis.
you can throw it around MUCH easier than other big wings I have tried. Basically handles at least 1m smaller than it's size and probably more. You can hang it very neutral above your head during light wind jibes and I wasn't finding myself outrunning it (which I have found with other big wings). Tacks and 360s were as easy as I've felt on a wing this big.

pumping is VERY back hand oriented. I was pumping it in circles with two hands like I pump other wings and it wasn't working. Once I figured out the back hand thing I could pop it up very efficiently. This makes sense when you look at the design which has a lot more length - the additional surface area is on the trailing edge. Basically start the wing really high above your head, pump some small circles to get moving then get very aggressive with the back hand pumps and you are up.

I would guess the low end for me is somewhere around 10 knots with a 1200 sqcm mid aspect foil. Maybe 9 knots in flat water. I also rode it up to high teens and it felt totally manageable. Luffed very nicely as well.

overall pretty happy with this one. Saved several sessions for me and was considerably more fun than many 6m wings I have tried.

a little surprised how soft the batten struts are.
the handles are fine. I don't love them but they do the trick. Wish they were stiffer and more taught.
flipping the wing over is pretty annoying. No surprise given how big it is.

people are getting excited about a 7m ocean rodeo glide but I think that the cwc design is better for this use (unless the design is a lot different for the 7m size on the glide). The glide doesn't have grunt like the cwc. It's a design profile thing not a size thing.



How do you compare it to your 6.2 Mantis? Thanks.

Velocicraptor
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7 Feb 2022 10:43AM
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Velocicraptor said..
I just spent several days on the 7m cwc. Here are some random thoughts.

I didn't get around to measuring it but it feels similar in wingspan to my 6.2m mantis.
you can throw it around MUCH easier than other big wings I have tried. Basically handles at least 1m smaller than it's size and probably more. You can hang it very neutral above your head during light wind jibes and I wasn't finding myself outrunning it (which I have found with other big wings). Tacks and 360s were as easy as I've felt on a wing this big.

pumping is VERY back hand oriented. I was pumping it in circles with two hands like I pump other wings and it wasn't working. Once I figured out the back hand thing I could pop it up very efficiently. This makes sense when you look at the design which has a lot more length - the additional surface area is on the trailing edge. Basically start the wing really high above your head, pump some small circles to get moving then get very aggressive with the back hand pumps and you are up.

I would guess the low end for me is somewhere around 10 knots with a 1200 sqcm mid aspect foil. Maybe 9 knots in flat water. I also rode it up to high teens and it felt totally manageable. Luffed very nicely as well.

overall pretty happy with this one. Saved several sessions for me and was considerably more fun than many 6m wings I have tried.

a little surprised how soft the batten struts are.
the handles are fine. I don't love them but they do the trick. Wish they were stiffer and more taught.
flipping the wing over is pretty annoying. No surprise given how big it is.

people are getting excited about a 7m ocean rodeo glide but I think that the cwc design is better for this use (unless the design is a lot different for the 7m size on the glide). The glide doesn't have grunt like the cwc. It's a design profile thing not a size thing.




How do you compare it to your 6.2 Mantis? Thanks.


I didn't like the 6.2 mantis very much. It just felt like a really big wing whenever I was trying to throw it around in a tack or gybe and I felt like I was often outrunning it when it was luffed on a wave or during a gybe. It just didn't fly very light.
the cwc feels a lot more manageable and nimble even though it's bigger. I think it's because it has more dihedral vs the mantis which is flatter? It's also lighter and you can feel the weight difference. I can bring the cwc around a gybe or tack quicker so I don't get hung up by it or outrun it.
the mantis is a more taught canopy than the cwc. I could pump up pretty efficiently with the Mantis, but I've got a few knots lower end with the cwc now that I've figured out how to pump it. They pump very differently from one another. The pump with the cwc is slower and more back hand focused.
I liked the smaller size mantis wings a lot, but the 6.2 didn't work well for me. My theory is that the flat profile works a lot better in small sizes and the large sizes need more dihedral. Much happier with the strike at this size.
Caveat that I haven't ridden waves with the cwc yet but I have luffed it and pumped around with it and all indications are that it will work just fine in the waves. The mantis luffed great for me and this was its strength.

SquintEastwood
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8 Feb 2022 9:19AM
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Velocicraptor said..

BigZ said..


Velocicraptor said..
I just spent several days on the 7m cwc. Here are some random thoughts.

I didn't get around to measuring it but it feels similar in wingspan to my 6.2m mantis.
you can throw it around MUCH easier than other big wings I have tried. Basically handles at least 1m smaller than it's size and probably more. You can hang it very neutral above your head during light wind jibes and I wasn't finding myself outrunning it (which I have found with other big wings). Tacks and 360s were as easy as I've felt on a wing this big.

pumping is VERY back hand oriented. I was pumping it in circles with two hands like I pump other wings and it wasn't working. Once I figured out the back hand thing I could pop it up very efficiently. This makes sense when you look at the design which has a lot more length - the additional surface area is on the trailing edge. Basically start the wing really high above your head, pump some small circles to get moving then get very aggressive with the back hand pumps and you are up.

I would guess the low end for me is somewhere around 10 knots with a 1200 sqcm mid aspect foil. Maybe 9 knots in flat water. I also rode it up to high teens and it felt totally manageable. Luffed very nicely as well.

overall pretty happy with this one. Saved several sessions for me and was considerably more fun than many 6m wings I have tried.

a little surprised how soft the batten struts are.
the handles are fine. I don't love them but they do the trick. Wish they were stiffer and more taught.
flipping the wing over is pretty annoying. No surprise given how big it is.

people are getting excited about a 7m ocean rodeo glide but I think that the cwc design is better for this use (unless the design is a lot different for the 7m size on the glide). The glide doesn't have grunt like the cwc. It's a design profile thing not a size thing.





How do you compare it to your 6.2 Mantis? Thanks.



I didn't like the 6.2 mantis very much. It just felt like a really big wing whenever I was trying to throw it around in a tack or gybe and I felt like I was often outrunning it when it was luffed on a wave or during a gybe. It just didn't fly very light.
the cwc feels a lot more manageable and nimble even though it's bigger. I think it's because it has more dihedral vs the mantis which is flatter? It's also lighter and you can feel the weight difference. I can bring the cwc around a gybe or tack quicker so I don't get hung up by it or outrun it.
the mantis is a more taught canopy than the cwc. I could pump up pretty efficiently with the Mantis, but I've got a few knots lower end with the cwc now that I've figured out how to pump it. They pump very differently from one another. The pump with the cwc is slower and more back hand focused.
I liked the smaller size mantis wings a lot, but the 6.2 didn't work well for me. My theory is that the flat profile works a lot better in small sizes and the large sizes need more dihedral. Much happier with the strike at this size.
Caveat that I haven't ridden waves with the cwc yet but I have luffed it and pumped around with it and all indications are that it will work just fine in the waves. The mantis luffed great for me and this was its strength.


I have a 6.2 Mantis and expect to take delivery of the 8m cmc Strike on Saturday. I can't imagine getting rid of the 6.2 as it has such great high end. The Mantis shoots upwind and doesn't back stall like my 5.5 A-wing. The next kite down is my 4.5 A-wing and then I have a 4m Mantis for high winds. I look forward to trying the 8m. Thanks for sharing your experience with these wings.

dejavu
676 posts
9 Feb 2022 1:16AM
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pitbulldoug
95 posts
9 Feb 2022 11:52AM
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Have to say pretty impressed with the 8m strike cwc after cpl session in 11-13 kts G 18 kts for behemoth wing it's pretty light first session was winging 360s like nothing in first 15 minutes.For a big guy like me at 100kgs or for any other HW riders you can't afford not to to have this diesel pulling wing in your quiver hands down.I had the first V1 F1 swing 6m and absolutely did not like it at all,so stuck my neck out buying this wing and gotta say F1 definitely has gotten better with the strike here the handles are still IMO bit small diameter and flimsy but are positioned nicely unlike my swing 6m if they upgraded the handles this wing would be even better but for me totally usable nicely balanced and pretty darn light for its size I have no trouble throwing it around jibes/tacks 360s really surprised me how good it is for a big wing F1 did nice job on this wing if handles are improved next version it will be the shidnik
just hoping construction holds up and canopy tension stays tight,time will tell definitely a great big guy wing no doubt

ArthurAlston
NSW, 38 posts
9 Feb 2022 5:14PM
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pitbulldoug said..
Have to say pretty impressed with the 8m strike cwc after cpl session in 11-13 kts G 18 kts for behemoth wing it's pretty light first session was winging 360s like nothing in first 15 minutes.For a big guy like me at 100kgs or for any other HW riders you can't afford not to to have this diesel pulling wing in your quiver hands down.I had the first V1 F1 swing 6m and absolutely did not like it at all,so stuck my neck out buying this wing and gotta say F1 definitely has gotten better with the strike here the handles are still IMO bit small diameter and flimsy but are positioned nicely unlike my swing 6m if they upgraded the handles this wing would be even better but for me totally usable nicely balanced and pretty darn light for its size I have no trouble throwing it around jibes/tacks 360s really surprised me how good it is for a big wing F1 did nice job on this wing if handles are improved next version it will be the shidnik
just hoping construction holds up and canopy tension stays tight,time will tell definitely a great big guy wing no doubt


The Strike V2 is out now in limited numbers being demo'd. I understand that they will be in supply May/June, probably the 5 and 5.5m2 first and then the rest. You will be happy to know that one of the changes is the handles - the position is improved and I believe they are a little more chunky.

No word yet on when the CWC range will be updated. They were released well after the Strikes, so one would assumed a similar release cadence.

Plenty to look forward to.

pitbulldoug
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11 Feb 2022 12:55PM
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pitbulldoug said..
Have to say pretty impressed with the 8m strike cwc after cpl session in 11-13 kts G 18 kts for behemoth wing it's pretty light first session was winging 360s like nothing in first 15 minutes.For a big guy like me at 100kgs or for any other HW riders you can't afford not to to have this diesel pulling wing in your quiver hands down.I had the first V1 F1 swing 6m and absolutely did not like it at all,so stuck my neck out buying this wing and gotta say F1 definitely has gotten better with the strike here the handles are still IMO bit small diameter and flimsy but are positioned nicely unlike my swing 6m if they upgraded the handles this wing would be even better but for me totally usable nicely balanced and pretty darn light for its size I have no trouble throwing it around jibes/tacks 360s really surprised me how good it is for a big wing F1 did nice job on this wing if handles are improved next version it will be the shidnik
just hoping construction holds up and canopy tension stays tight,time will tell definitely a great big guy wing no doubt




The Strike V2 is out now in limited numbers being demo'd. I understand that they will be in supply May/June, probably the 5 and 5.5m2 first and then the rest. You will be happy to know that one of the changes is the handles - the position is improved and I believe they are a little more chunky.

No word yet on when the CWC range will be updated. They were released well after the Strikes, so one would assumed a similar release cadence.

Plenty to look forward to.



The handle locations are nice it's just the flimsy material they use is not up to par with other wing handles out there these days.Sad to say after my comment about hoping construction holds up other day my leash attachment point where leash attaches to LE from factory that says "safety leash" Lol ripped out completely and LE bladder herniated out of hole and exploded that attachment point is woefully under reinforced there especially for a big wing and the 2 small 2 legs of black webbing sewed into LE needs a gusset behind it hands down poorly engineered highly recommend attaching leash to LE handle as it at least has some backing gussets the leash attachment point is a joke! only 3rd session max 5hrs on wing really like the wing had a blast on it until this,however this took the wind out of my new 8m strike literally just a heads up there other 8m owners don't recommend attaching leash to "safety leash" attachment point!

gription
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12 Feb 2022 1:53AM
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pitbulldoug said..

ArthurAlston said..



pitbulldoug said..
Have to say pretty impressed with the 8m strike cwc after cpl session in 11-13 kts G 18 kts for behemoth wing it's pretty light first session was winging 360s like nothing in first 15 minutes.For a big guy like me at 100kgs or for any other HW riders you can't afford not to to have this diesel pulling wing in your quiver hands down.I had the first V1 F1 swing 6m and absolutely did not like it at all,so stuck my neck out buying this wing and gotta say F1 definitely has gotten better with the strike here the handles are still IMO bit small diameter and flimsy but are positioned nicely unlike my swing 6m if they upgraded the handles this wing would be even better but for me totally usable nicely balanced and pretty darn light for its size I have no trouble throwing it around jibes/tacks 360s really surprised me how good it is for a big wing F1 did nice job on this wing if handles are improved next version it will be the shidnik
just hoping construction holds up and canopy tension stays tight,time will tell definitely a great big guy wing no doubt





The Strike V2 is out now in limited numbers being demo'd. I understand that they will be in supply May/June, probably the 5 and 5.5m2 first and then the rest. You will be happy to know that one of the changes is the handles - the position is improved and I believe they are a little more chunky.

No word yet on when the CWC range will be updated. They were released well after the Strikes, so one would assumed a similar release cadence.

Plenty to look forward to.




The handle locations are nice it's just the flimsy material they use is not up to par with other wing handles out there these days.Sad to say after my comment about hoping construction holds up other day my leash attachment point where leash attaches to LE from factory that says "safety leash" Lol ripped out completely and LE bladder herniated out of hole and exploded that attachment point is woefully under reinforced there especially for a big wing and the 2 small 2 legs of black webbing sewed into LE needs a gusset behind it hands down poorly engineered highly recommend attaching leash to LE handle as it at least has some backing gussets the leash attachment point is a joke! only 3rd session max 5hrs on wing really like the wing had a blast on it until this,however this took the wind out of my new 8m strike literally just a heads up there other 8m owners don't recommend attaching leash to "safety leash" attachment point!


pictures of the damage?



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