Hi All
About to put harness lines on my wing. Not sure what type of line/rope work best for the purpose of hooking
up. Stiff ones like windsurf lines or softer ones that allows swinging for hook up.
Don't fancy the idea of getting caught up with the lines around my head while tacking !Any advise will be much appreciated thank you.
I used the ones from F-One on my Strikes and now on the units.
It is a bit too long
Sometimes it doesn't hang right and it is difficult getting hooked.
I think the ones used for windsurfing will be too short and too thick to be used with the 3D printed wing hooks
I'm using 30" windsurfing line. It's easy to hook in and out, but sometimes getting in the way at jibes.
A 28" windsurfing line has worked well for me. I put one on an Armstrong power bar or whatever it's called and it swings in and out of the hook very easily. I tried one of the Ozone bungee lines but it doesn't work well IMO. The stretch makes it too short when you want to get in and too long when you weight it. It's also difficult to get out of, especially if in a hurry.
on my FOne's I've used the shortest knot w the FOne harness lines. With my Naish's I use a my o harness to middle handle at 24". I'd like to see a mono harness made lighter w the line and plastic covering more like FOne but w the easy mono strap that goes around the handle.
Just use 5/6mm dyneema, tie a double or half hitch knot on the handles and adjust as needed. That's how I've done it last 2yrs on 3 different wing brands and works great. I have them on my 6/5/4/3m wings.
Mike
Have a look at the Severne Quick Fix Lines. I use the 32inch.
Very easy to fit and easy to hook in and out of.
Dakine do adjustable wing harness lines, i bought one set and used them on each wing to suss out line length and position (as there super easy and quick to adjust with the pull strap) then just replaced on each wing with 5mm downhaul and left the dakine ones on one wing. I was to tight to buy three sets and there's no difference when using the downhaul ones.
32" fixed lines work. I think a bit too long. I switched to a piece of dyneema but it blows around and I miss lots of harness hooks. Windsurf ones are the best, but they are kind of heavy and hurt when the smack your face.
I'm making some out of New England Ropes WR2, which is stiff dyneema inside a dyneema cover. Should be easier to hook a thumb to keep it out of the way when pumping but stiff enough to keep a nice loop shape to hook into in the wind.
Select to expand quotePKenny said..
Have a look at the Severne Quick Fix Lines. I use the 32inch.
Very easy to fit and easy to hook in and out of.
Same here..
I've tried a bunch and like these the best: slingshotsports.com/products/slingwing-universal-harness-line-75cm-29-5
I like some weight so I can swing up into harness. You do need to adjust and hold the line when pumping up or you're gonna get slapped in the face by the line. Bungee type lines look great but I find are just to hard to get into smoothly.
I use 6mm rope. On package it was written that it is garden rope. Works great. It is relatively heavy, so it is easy to hook in. For mounting on the boom, I used parts from old windsurfing adjustable harness line. For wings without booms, I use rope with carabine hooks that I could easily take it off or change position on the water. Length of the rope is 100cm.
I use 3mm dyneema, but then thread that through some 5 or 6mm clear PVC tubing. The tubing gives it a bit of weight, so it's easy to swing under the hook, and it also it slides nicely backwards and forwards over the dyneema as you adjust the wing position.
I use the Ozone lines. Love them. They retract out of the way when you are not hooked in and all you have to do is pull down the wing a bit lower than normal to hook in. It becomes second nature. I highly recommend them.
Select to expand quoteMoBay said..
I use the Ozone lines. Love them. They retract out of the way when you are not hooked in and all you have to do is pull down the wing a bit lower than normal to hook in. It becomes second nature. I highly recommend them.
I tried to like the Ozone line but the extra pull in to get hooked (then being too long when weighted) and more importantly the extra pull to get it to drop from the hook turned me off. I had one too many crashes when I couldn't get it out of the hook quick enough. Windsurfing lines work so much better for me.
I modified my windsurfing harness into "the lazy winger " type. I love it. Not only are you hooked in during the gybe but also you can keep the tension on the line during the gybe which allows the wing to be flying and powered up during the gybe, then you spin the wing. All done while tensioned and powered up. Also good for sailing when you would normally be getting over powered. Highly recommend trying this harness style.
Nigel.
Life long windsurfer here. Thought these harness lines were the dumbest idea ever. But other windsurfers told me they were epic. I tried them. They are genius. Never get slapped in the face again. Never get caught on anything. Lightest lines on the market. No wear at all. No need for poly tubing.
Select to expand quoteNig202 said..
I modified my windsurfing harness into "the lazy winger " type. I love it. Not only are you hooked in during the gybe but also you can keep the tension on the line during the gybe which allows the wing to be flying and powered up during the gybe, then you spin the wing. All done while tensioned and powered up. Also good for sailing when you would normally be getting over powered. Highly recommend trying this harness style.
Nigel.
I want to try one but I'm concerned about the crashes, how bad is it to fall hooked in?
Select to expand quoteDWF said..
Life long windsurfer here. Thought these harness lines were the dumbest idea ever. But other windsurfers told me they were epic. I tried them. They are genius. Never get slapped in the face again. Never get caught on anything. Lightest lines on the market. No wear at all. No need for poly tubing.
I've seen that video before and figured the elasticity in the line would make it hard to quickly unhook. I make mine with 4mm dyneema sleeved in polyurethane airline and like the way the weight of the tube lets the line drop out of the hook super fast. But getting slapped in tue face is a pain!
Select to expand quoteDWF said..
Life long windsurfer here. Thought these harness lines were the dumbest idea ever. But other windsurfers told me they were epic. I tried them. They are genius. Never get slapped in the face again. Never get caught on anything. Lightest lines on the market. No wear at all. No need for poly tubing.
I've seen that video before and figured the elasticity in the line would make it hard to quickly unhook, interesting you say it works so well Dwight.
I make mine with 4mm dyneema sleeved in polyurethane airline and I like the way the weight of the tube lets me swing the line to hook in and then also allows the line to drop out of the hook super fast. But getting slapped in the face is a pain! I tend to hook my back hand thumb through the line while I'm pumping.
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I've seen that video before and figured the elasticity in the line would make it hard to quickly unhook, interesting you say it works so well Dwight.
I make mine with 4mm dyneema sleeved in polyurethane airline and I like the way the weight of the tube lets me swing the line to hook in and then also allows the line to drop out of the hook super fast. But getting slapped in the face is a pain! I tend to hook my back hand thumb through the line while I'm pumping.
Those were my thoughts too, but after riding with it, no issues. Easy in and out. No big deal to a former windsurfer.
So I had this add pop up in my browsing for a super strong magnetic tool holder that clips onto a belt. Like strong enough to hold a sledge hammer.
holstery.com/products/magmaster-the-very-strong-belt-clip-magnet-holster?variant=39664977281139
Who wants to be the first to try and incorporate this into a wing harness? If it weren't for the need of a metal attachment on the harness line, could be a cool way to get over the fear of a high speed wipeout hooked in, as it would release before rag dolling you. There's probably a slick way to do it with all the ingenuity on this forum.
Maybe somehow incorporating with the lazy winger design. Might be a waste of a thought or a post, but you know what they say, never shoot down an idea when brainstorming.
Hi mid Atlantic,
The concept is cool and a magnet could be incorporated into the lazy winger harness.
I have a hard time fumbling around trying to get the ball through the loop quickly while up on foil. If I was to use a metal wire as the loop and a magnetic ball, it might stick there and you just need to guide the ball through the loop.
More investagation and prototypes needed. First step, look for a magnetic ball.
Had some dyneema lying around so I buried a bit of bungee inside. Works great. Tried the clear tubing but prefer the bungee setup. Probably cost me less than $10.
Select to expand quoteDWF said..JonathanC said..
I've seen that video before and figured the elasticity in the line would make it hard to quickly unhook, interesting you say it works so well Dwight.
I make mine with 4mm dyneema sleeved in polyurethane airline and I like the way the weight of the tube lets me swing the line to hook in and then also allows the line to drop out of the hook super fast. But getting slapped in the face is a pain! I tend to hook my back hand thumb through the line while I'm pumping.
Those were my thoughts too, but after riding with it, no issues. Easy in and out. No big deal to a former windsurfer.
My experience was the opposite, when things got hectic it was hard to get out quick. I also didn't like the difference between stretched and unstretched lengths - too short when not clipped and too long when weighted. Flat water was tolerable but in waves and chop no thanks. But I'm not a former windsurfer so maybe it's my problem.
The other thing I like about the plastic tubing is it makes for a nice rigid line. Run on a mini-boom, it swings in and out so predictably. A little flick of the wrists and you're out. Or back in. The Ozone line is light and simple but does not perform as well for me. YMMV
For me, the plain 4mm polyester rope is now my favourite harness line. At first, I used the more robust 4mm polyester rope with dyneema core (and was thinking about the solution shown by StephenZ) but now find a softer rope even better.
Paula N was running an interesting harness setup at the European World Cup. She won every race, so it must have been working! Here's a screengrab of her setting it up on land with her Duotone bar (I'm guessing). I have no idea how it works. I'll try and post another screen grab if it unhooked, which caught my attention yesterday.didn't make sense to me
Here's a shot of the setup. I guess she has the leash attached just below a hook that's hard to see. There's a quick disconnect I think on the leash line just below the chest, which I had thought was part of the harness when I saw a shot of it disconnected. It seems more ergonomic to have the harness in line with the arms, rather than down to the belly button. It must be quicker to unclip as well. Anyone running a harness line from the sternum area?
Aaand a link to drone footage of harness in action. www.instagram.com/reel/CkAd2oBDRlt/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=https://www.instagram.com/p/Cj7vlQKNQ56/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
it's by Wingman!
see a video on the wingman website or just the line described below !
The Loop - Mono Harness Line - Wingman Products (wingman-products.com)
www.wingman-products.com/product/the-loop-mono-harness-line/
