Select to expand quoteRelapse said..sunsetsailboards said..
light wind on land flying/flagging test b/w the 4.0 regular and 4.0 Aluula, the Aluula version definitely flew earlier in the very light breeze. Pumping on land, you can feel the difference in stiffness and pop. On the water, I did not try the regular version, as they only brought one 4.0, and the breeze was light. Was able to go on the 4.5 Aluula on the Fanatic 5'0"/1250 combo when others were using large wings 6.0+ Of course Zane Schweitzer and Titouan Galea were also foiling at the same time on small gear from different brands.
recommended PSI printed on the LE was 6psi on the wings I checked. not sure if this will be on the production wings as these were ones Ken Winner flew in with from Maui. They said they were pumped slightly higher.
Also, there is a 2nd dump valve on the LE near one wingtip so you can roll from one side to the other.
tl;dr feels like a really nice wing and will be ordering a 3.5 for sure... and probably a 5.0 also. i'm 185lbs.
Good to hear. I have the current 4.5m Slick and 4.0 Unit but find myself reaching the 4.0m Unit all the time. I'm hoping the new 4.0m in the Aluula will get me the same pumping power as the 4.5m Slick, once I'm up there's not a lot of difference between the 4.0m Unit and 4.5m Slick.
Same same. I like the way the Units fly better so am usually opting for it over the Slick. I think I like the extra dihedral and sweep.
D.Lab Units will go 3.5-6.5 in .5 increments. Regular Units add sizes down to 2.0
Mmm - a DLab 6.5m Unit and a 4.5 standard Unit sounds ideal for me. Be keen to hear about the top end of the '22 version (their high end seems a little more limited compared to other wings i reckon, based on my current 6m / 4m units...i guess thats the compromise due to their good low end)
Just a thought.
The characteristics of dacron and aluula differ. It's weight, tear strength and higher pressure tolerance (stitching). using different material could mean different shape of the wing (LE and struts). And therefore the whole wing.are the 2 Ocean Rodeo wing and upcoming Duotone (and Ozone?) fully exploiting the advantages of the new material. For example, is leading edge of Glide A-series the same shape and size of the hybrid Glide?
In windsurfing sails more exotic fibers and canopies are being used in high end sails. Is there a promising alternative for the kitestyle ripstop canopy we see in current wings?
I hope they are using carbon instead of aluminium for the handles. Nice little mod if they don't, titanium screws just to finish off the bling 
Select to expand quotesunsetsailboards said..Relapse said..sunsetsailboards said..
light wind on land flying/flagging test b/w the 4.0 regular and 4.0 Aluula, the Aluula version definitely flew earlier in the very light breeze. Pumping on land, you can feel the difference in stiffness and pop. On the water, I did not try the regular version, as they only brought one 4.0, and the breeze was light. Was able to go on the 4.5 Aluula on the Fanatic 5'0"/1250 combo when others were using large wings 6.0+ Of course Zane Schweitzer and Titouan Galea were also foiling at the same time on small gear from different brands.
recommended PSI printed on the LE was 6psi on the wings I checked. not sure if this will be on the production wings as these were ones Ken Winner flew in with from Maui. They said they were pumped slightly higher.
Also, there is a 2nd dump valve on the LE near one wingtip so you can roll from one side to the other.
tl;dr feels like a really nice wing and will be ordering a 3.5 for sure... and probably a 5.0 also. i'm 185lbs.
Good to hear. I have the current 4.5m Slick and 4.0 Unit but find myself reaching the 4.0m Unit all the time. I'm hoping the new 4.0m in the Aluula will get me the same pumping power as the 4.5m Slick, once I'm up there's not a lot of difference between the 4.0m Unit and 4.5m Slick.
Same same. I like the way the Units fly better so am usually opting for it over the Slick. I think I like the extra dihedral and sweep.
D.Lab Units will go 3.5-6.5 in .5 increments. Regular Units add sizes down to 2.0
By any chance have you ridden the Cabrinha Mantis? If so, how does the stability compare? The Mantis is pretty flat vs the Unit which references a bit more dihedral, and I'm wondering how that shows up in handling. Also, any comparison of wind range? Im riding a 4m Mantis from ~15-30 kts and wondering how small a Unit I could get away with to maintain a similar low end.
Realize you won't have this answer, but I'm also curious as to how weights compare between the OR Glide and the Aluula Unit. I love the look of the Unit handles, but have to imagine they offset a bit of the weight savings.
Select to expand quoteRelapse said..
I hope they are using carbon instead of aluminium for the handles. Nice little mod if they don't, titanium screws just to finish off the bling
The Unit handles are some sort of molded plastic. Diameter is oval and feels like a kite bar.
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..sunsetsailboards said..Relapse said..sunsetsailboards said..
light wind on land flying/flagging test b/w the 4.0 regular and 4.0 Aluula, the Aluula version definitely flew earlier in the very light breeze. Pumping on land, you can feel the difference in stiffness and pop. On the water, I did not try the regular version, as they only brought one 4.0, and the breeze was light. Was able to go on the 4.5 Aluula on the Fanatic 5'0"/1250 combo when others were using large wings 6.0+ Of course Zane Schweitzer and Titouan Galea were also foiling at the same time on small gear from different brands.
recommended PSI printed on the LE was 6psi on the wings I checked. not sure if this will be on the production wings as these were ones Ken Winner flew in with from Maui. They said they were pumped slightly higher.
Also, there is a 2nd dump valve on the LE near one wingtip so you can roll from one side to the other.
tl;dr feels like a really nice wing and will be ordering a 3.5 for sure... and probably a 5.0 also. i'm 185lbs.
Good to hear. I have the current 4.5m Slick and 4.0 Unit but find myself reaching the 4.0m Unit all the time. I'm hoping the new 4.0m in the Aluula will get me the same pumping power as the 4.5m Slick, once I'm up there's not a lot of difference between the 4.0m Unit and 4.5m Slick.
Same same. I like the way the Units fly better so am usually opting for it over the Slick. I think I like the extra dihedral and sweep.
D.Lab Units will go 3.5-6.5 in .5 increments. Regular Units add sizes down to 2.0
By any chance have you ridden the Cabrinha Mantis? If so, how does the stability compare? The Mantis is pretty flat vs the Unit which references a bit more dihedral, and I'm wondering how that shows up in handling. Also, any comparison of wind range? Im riding a 4m Mantis from ~15-30 kts and wondering how small a Unit I could get away with to maintain a similar low end.
Realize you won't have this answer, but I'm also curious as to how weights compare between the OR Glide and the Aluula Unit. I love the look of the Unit handles, but have to imagine they offset a bit of the weight savings.
I have not ridden the Mantis. I don't have weight stats for the new wings either. Weight savings were mentioned during the presentation, but I did not write them down. Last day of the show was very light wind. we held up one regular unit and one aluula unit, and in the small gusts the aluula unit would fly level while the regular one the tail would still be dropped. not a real scientific test, but there was a perceivable difference. how big this difference is in real world riding is unclear.
Select to expand quotesunsetsailboards said..
The Unit handles are some sort of molded plastic. Diameter is oval and feels like a kite bar.
Do the handles have to be screwed on each session?
Select to expand quoteFlyingPeew said..
Just a thought.
The characteristics of dacron and aluula differ. It's weight, tear strength and higher pressure tolerance (stitching). using different material could mean different shape of the wing (LE and struts). And therefore the whole wing.are the 2 Ocean Rodeo wing and upcoming Duotone (and Ozone?) fully exploiting the advantages of the new material. For example, is leading edge of Glide A-series the same shape and size of the hybrid Glide?
In windsurfing sails more exotic fibers and canopies are being used in high end sails. Is there a promising alternative for the kitestyle ripstop canopy we see in current wings?
the LE is in fact narrower with allula. Same with the kites.
Select to expand quoteDWF said..sunsetsailboards said..
The Unit handles are some sort of molded plastic. Diameter is oval and feels like a kite bar.
Do the handles have to be screwed on each session?
no you can leave them in... not sure how it affects packing, but i have a van so whatevs.
Select to expand quotesunsetsailboards said..DWF said..sunsetsailboards said..
The Unit handles are some sort of molded plastic. Diameter is oval and feels like a kite bar.
Do the handles have to be screwed on each session?
no you can leave them in... not sure how it affects packing, but i have a van so whatevs.
I'd be concerned about hard parts inside the bag wearing holes in the canopy. Especially with gear piled into the back of cars. If they included neoprene covers to apply before packing it up, I'd have less worry.
OK. I got it: ALUULA wings fly better in light wind. How about range? Do they have better range then "regular" construction wings? Will 3.5 ALUULA replace 3.0 and 4.0 LE wings? If yes, then price for it make sense.
My theory is yes. Far more rigid frame material - plus much higher psi capability adding to rigidity - will give more direct power. When in upper range deflate some for air to spill. It has to have more range - theoretically. Hence could have a 2 wing quiver maybe ?
am i right those who have tried them?
www.instagram.com/p/CVDlfcKI7Q1/?utm_medium=copy_link
Some Dlab action in the wild, crazy height off flat water. I bet I'll be able to do all that when mine arrives 
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My theory is yes. Far more rigid frame material - plus much higher psi capability adding to rigidity - will give more direct power. When in upper range deflate some for air to spill. It has to have more range - theoretically. Hence could have a 2 wing quiver maybe ?
am i right those who have tried them?
If Aluula allows higher pressures in the leading edge, does that mean we can get smaller diameter luff tubes? Some of the luff tubes in the large wings are massive, and I think they are high drag and develop less power than they would if they could have a smaller leading edge
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Aluula vs Dacron
Slight diversion, but it'll be interesting if North brings out 3Di Raw in the wings. Could be no different to Dlab frames ect, or even CZ material, full wing akin to BRM design.
Again another caveat, but will Aluula have forced redundancies like standard 3Di? (Alinghi designed the original material and when delam occurred, you could just iron the laminate back together). Surely at this price point, we'd expect wings to last more than 12 months too?
May have been mentioned but have they done repeated stress tests on allula versus . normal?
meaning do they have data on possible longevity ?
just looking for another reason to justify the price tag i suppose lol.
What does ALUULA look like? Is it thin, light, and crinkly looking? I saw an interesting prototype recently with this and which also included transparent cross-hatched windsurf sail material close to the leading edge. Not naming names in case it's confidential R&D.
I'd be interested in resale prices for both the Aluula kites and wings. At double the cost of a Dacron kite/wing, will the secondhand market be willing to stump up the extra, or will these devalue quick time.
Select to expand quotesimonp said..
What does ALUULA look like? Is it thin, light, and crinkly looking? I saw an interesting prototype recently with this and which also included transparent cross-hatched windsurf sail material close to the leading edge. Not naming names in case it's confidential R&D.
It's like mesh. Lots of micro holes in the material it looks like. Obviously lighter material.
Select to expand quotesimonp said..
What does ALUULA look like? Is it thin, light, and crinkly looking? I saw an interesting prototype recently with this and which also included transparent cross-hatched windsurf sail material close to the leading edge. Not naming names in case it's confidential R&D.
It is kind of blingy
Not to hijack the Aluula thread, which looks awesome but too dear for me. I like the look of the new Unit with the fixed handles and does anyone know when theyll be hitting the stores here in Australia??
Select to expand quotemcrt said..Looks super stable...
You are not wrong. Good riding too 
I have the OR 5m HL Aluula. It's great, far superior to Duotones current wings. Extremely light and feels very light in the air, incredible drift for surfing, windows are in perfect locations, pumps excellent for lightwind. Absolutely fantastic product.
Based on this I think the new Duotone with Aluula will be incredible.
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When the hell are they going to stop teasing and put it on the website? Mike
I've found it listed on a US retailers site using a search. Not available obviously, but pricing was listed around $1600 for a 3.5M and 1900 for 6.5M (US).
The Duotone dealers in the US have pricing. What they don't have is availability or timing. All I know is that the standard (non Aluula) Unit will come sooner than the DLab. Any US dealers have timing for when they will get the standard Unit?
also, I recently saw pics of the bag. Its quite large, which I guess makes sense due to the handles but still bigger than I would have expected. Almost like a full boom wing size bag.
