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Duotone ALUULA Prototype

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Created by foilthegreats > 9 months ago, 23 Aug 2021
sunsetsailboards
307 posts
23 Aug 2021 2:57AM
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aluula and wide rigid handles... can't wait

bigtone667
NSW, 1474 posts
23 Aug 2021 6:30AM
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sunsetsailboards said..
aluula and wide rigid handles... can't wait


And about $3000 ....

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VIC, 467 posts
23 Aug 2021 1:42PM
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Ordered a 4.5m to replace my 4.5m Slick for the light stuff, expensive but if it's as good as people have been reporting the kite versions are it will be worth it I reckon. I get so much use out of my ding gear spending money where it counts is a no brainer for me.

Youngbreezy
WA, 849 posts
23 Aug 2021 7:34PM
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Yes!
I was interested to see duotone using Aluula in their kites knowing of course an Aluula wing wouldn't be far away. Props to Ocean Rodeo for pioneering the material but I feel like it needs multiple brands pushing Aluula before it will become common/ popular. Definitely excited to see the progression.

Velocicraptor
209 posts
23 Aug 2021 8:13PM
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Ordered a 4.5m to replace my 4.5m Slick for the light stuff, expensive but if it's as good as people have been reporting the kite versions are it will be worth it I reckon. I get so much use out of my ding gear spending money where it counts is a no brainer for me.


Seems like this is still in prototype stage. How did you order one? What sizes were offered and how much did it cost? Looks great to me!

DWF
376 posts
23 Aug 2021 11:38PM
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Ken Winner and his wife on what sure looks like final production to me.

www.instagram.com/p/CSvZDzdLyCX/?utm_medium=copy_link

MidAtlanticFoil
337 posts
23 Aug 2021 11:59PM
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This is great! The more Aluula used in production will hopefully help bring down the cost (more competition). I guess it comes down to the supply and production costs of the fabric. The more demand might lead to higher cost initially for the whole supply chain, but should hopefully dip down the road.

AGK7
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24 Aug 2021 1:03AM
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Given that Ocean Rodeo has yet to deliver any full Aluula wings (I paid for mine in March), Duotone may actually be the first ones on the market!

foilthegreats
357 posts
24 Aug 2021 1:21AM
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I'm left wondering if this is a Ozone Aluula prototype

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VIC, 467 posts
24 Aug 2021 1:40PM
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Velocicraptor said..

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Ordered a 4.5m to replace my 4.5m Slick for the light stuff, expensive but if it's as good as people have been reporting the kite versions are it will be worth it I reckon. I get so much use out of my ding gear spending money where it counts is a no brainer for me.



Seems like this is still in prototype stage. How did you order one? What sizes were offered and how much did it cost? Looks great to me!


Pre ordered as soon as I heard they were doing one, no idea about cost but they said expensive ?????

Youngbreezy
WA, 849 posts
24 Aug 2021 12:05PM
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Ozone as well?

Hopefully this is the tipping point for Aluula. So many new innovations get stuck in a catch 22 situation. They need mass uptake to achieve mass production and lower costs. They also need mass uptake to prove themselves as a worthwhile product. But they also need lower costs and proof of being a worthwhile product to achieve mass uptake in the first place. Foiling was stuck in this holding pattern for decades before it exploded into what it is now.

martyman
WA, 206 posts
8 Sep 2021 12:35PM
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foilthegreats said..
I'm left wondering if this is a Ozone Aluula prototype


that video makes me feel ****ty about me

sunsetsailboards
307 posts
11 Sep 2021 12:33AM
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rode the 4.5 and 5.5 the last two days here in Hood River... Duotone please take my money now.

Ken Winner said something like, "we really like Aluula in kites, we really really really love Aluula in wings."

solid handles are really comfortable. wing is light and stiff and very natural feeling. price is similar to Ocean Rodeo A-Series

Velocicraptor
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11 Sep 2021 12:42AM
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sunsetsailboards said..
rode the 4.5 and 5.5 the last two days here in Hood River... Duotone please take my money now.

Ken Winner said something like, "we really like Aluula in kites, we really really really love Aluula in wings."

solid handles are really comfortable. wing is light and stiff and very natural feeling. price is similar to Ocean Rodeo A-Series


When is it available? Sizes?

Every video from AWSI has some of these flapping around in the background. Kind of takes the focus off of whatever else the video is trying to show me!

eppo
WA, 8846 posts
11 Sep 2021 6:21AM
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I am thinking the uptake of Allula wings with the extra cost will be quicker than with kiting. This is because the allula material qualities are exactly what wingers are looking for. Rigid and light. Or more to the point the performance gains wing wise will be far more important for a wing than a kite.

Alysum
NSW, 892 posts
11 Sep 2021 10:37AM
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What I want to know is whether they are using different bladder material for those high pressure on aluula wings because I cannot imagine the current ones withstanding 11psi and it's the most fragile component on wings - hence they keep bulging and popping.

Also why is aluula always yellow ? Can they not add dye to it ? Dacron can be in any colour.

Velocicraptor
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11 Sep 2021 9:51AM
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What I want to know is whether they are using different bladder material for those high pressure on aluula wings because I cannot imagine the current ones withstanding 11psi and it's the most fragile component on wings - hence they keep bulging and popping.

Also why is aluula always yellow ? Can they not add dye to it ? Dacron can be in any colour.



The aluula supports the bladder. You can inflate the same bladder to higher pressure with aluula than Dacron. Unless the bladder gets unseated (which has nothing to do with the leading edge material) It's not going to bulge if it has nowhere to go.

puncture resistance is a different thing (although I understand aluula represents to be more puncture resistant than Dacron too).

shred
WA, 44 posts
11 Sep 2021 11:41AM
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This review will give you some insights into the latest wings from Ocean Rodeo. By the way Eppo, your name is on a demo wing coming to Perth in a couple of weeks.


juandesooka
574 posts
11 Sep 2021 12:54PM
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Risking hijacking the Duotone thread ... so I'll focus my comments on Aluula rather than Ocean Rodeo specifically. I demo'd one a week ago, just got mine tonight, first session on it, just so good. As eppo said above...super stiff....light...exactly what we want in a wing. I have little doubt that all premium high-performance wings will have aluula leading edges and struts within a few years. Dacron will be still be available too, for mid-range "good enough" economy performance. If you get a chance to demo one, do so! Even playing with it on land, the difference is obvious. Pretty stoked for the upcoming wave season.

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VIC, 467 posts
11 Sep 2021 5:58PM
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sunsetsailboards said..
rode the 4.5 and 5.5 the last two days here in Hood River... Duotone please take my money now.

Ken Winner said something like, "we really like Aluula in kites, we really really really love Aluula in wings."

solid handles are really comfortable. wing is light and stiff and very natural feeling. price is similar to Ocean Rodeo A-Series




Arrrg the wait is killing me, they are still a long way off from what I've heard. How's the bottom end and pumpability compared to the Dacron version?

eppo
WA, 8846 posts
11 Sep 2021 8:50PM
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Risking hijacking the Duotone thread ... so I'll focus my comments on Aluula rather than Ocean Rodeo specifically. I demo'd one a week ago, just got mine tonight, first session on it, just so good. As eppo said above...super stiff....light...exactly what we want in a wing. I have little doubt that all premium high-performance wings will have aluula leading edges and struts within a few years. Dacron will be still be available too, for mid-range "good enough" economy performance. If you get a chance to demo one, do so! Even playing with it on land, the difference is obvious. Pretty stoked for the upcoming wave season.


eppo
WA, 8846 posts
11 Sep 2021 9:57PM
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This review will give you some insights into the latest wings from Ocean Rodeo. By the way Eppo, your name is on a demo wing coming to Perth in a couple of weeks.




i will be sure to put it in the hands of some very capable riders..

baldy123
WA, 250 posts
11 Sep 2021 10:39PM
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Doutone still seem to be sticking with the floppy front LE handle. Wings looks great otherwise. Will the canopy material still bag out after a season of heavy use? I saw a post recently of a PPC wing using a laminate canopy material. Keen to try one.

sunsetsailboards
307 posts
12 Sep 2021 2:48AM
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light wind on land flying/flagging test b/w the 4.0 regular and 4.0 Aluula, the Aluula version definitely flew earlier in the very light breeze. Pumping on land, you can feel the difference in stiffness and pop. On the water, I did not try the regular version, as they only brought one 4.0, and the breeze was light. Was able to go on the 4.5 Aluula on the Fanatic 5'0"/1250 combo when others were using large wings 6.0+ Of course Zane Schweitzer and Titouan Galea were also foiling at the same time on small gear from different brands.

recommended PSI printed on the LE was 6psi on the wings I checked. not sure if this will be on the production wings as these were ones Ken Winner flew in with from Maui. They said they were pumped slightly higher.

Also, there is a 2nd dump valve on the LE near one wingtip so you can roll from one side to the other.

tl;dr feels like a really nice wing and will be ordering a 3.5 for sure... and probably a 5.0 also. i'm 185lbs.

Grantmac
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12 Sep 2021 3:25AM
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baldy123 said..
Doutone still seem to be sticking with the floppy front LE handle. Wings looks great otherwise. Will the canopy material still bag out after a season of heavy use? I saw a post recently of a PPC wing using a laminate canopy material. Keen to try one.


Improving canopy durability and performance seems to be the next step.

northy1
361 posts
12 Sep 2021 4:04AM
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sunsetsailboards
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12 Sep 2021 4:28AM
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relapse already beat you to that video ;-D

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VIC, 467 posts
12 Sep 2021 4:16PM
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light wind on land flying/flagging test b/w the 4.0 regular and 4.0 Aluula, the Aluula version definitely flew earlier in the very light breeze. Pumping on land, you can feel the difference in stiffness and pop. On the water, I did not try the regular version, as they only brought one 4.0, and the breeze was light. Was able to go on the 4.5 Aluula on the Fanatic 5'0"/1250 combo when others were using large wings 6.0+ Of course Zane Schweitzer and Titouan Galea were also foiling at the same time on small gear from different brands.

recommended PSI printed on the LE was 6psi on the wings I checked. not sure if this will be on the production wings as these were ones Ken Winner flew in with from Maui. They said they were pumped slightly higher.

Also, there is a 2nd dump valve on the LE near one wingtip so you can roll from one side to the other.

tl;dr feels like a really nice wing and will be ordering a 3.5 for sure... and probably a 5.0 also. i'm 185lbs.


Good to hear. I have the current 4.5m Slick and 4.0 Unit but find myself reaching the 4.0m Unit all the time. I'm hoping the new 4.0m in the Aluula will get me the same pumping power as the 4.5m Slick, once I'm up there's not a lot of difference between the 4.0m Unit and 4.5m Slick.

Yuppy
VIC, 640 posts
12 Sep 2021 9:17PM
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Do we know what sizes the duotone unit aluula will come in?



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