A guy from Canada posted a thread that has been removed from the site. I am assuming that it was classed as not being windsurfing specific because of the politics attached to the writer's opinions. Unfortunately, whoever complained or made the decision did not do the same for another thread recently which was about similar issues but from a different viewpoint. That thread is still active.... www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Covid-is-real-people--respect-one-another-?page=1#20
One of the great things about windsurfing is the way in which we accept others. It is about the sport, it is about respecting others who share the same passion. Unfortunately, there is a disturbing increase in the way some people think they can dictate right and wrong. That is called censorship. We are adult enough to make our own decisions and if we disagree then forums like this allow space to voice an opinion - leave out the swearing and personal attacks. If you don't like the topic within a thread, then don't read it.
I agree, while the topic didn't interest me, I don't think it fell into any of the following categories
It's politically contentious. It started with a post lauding a bunch of activists objecting to vaccination mandates. meh.
Do you want another Heavy Weather? I personally don't mind but these things devolve into heated ego battles with zero information.
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It's politically contentious. It started with a post lauding a bunch of activists objecting to vaccination mandates. meh.
Do you want another Heavy Weather? I personally don't mind but these things devolve into heated ego battles with zero information.
Pretty much this, but i agree, the other thread should've been wiped as well. It started out as a friendly reminder from someone experiencing covid first hand, but covid is a hot topic at the moment. Any discussion on it is going to end up being a debate.
I figured Laurie was trying to keep seabreeze free from that sort of thing, especially in the watersports forums. Maybe it just got missed?
It was because I mentioned truckies dumping barley on the freeway........ when clearly it should be used in beer manufacture
I read the deleted thread and as I understood it - it was truckers demonstrating against Covid vaccination and for liberty?
Being and demonstrating against the (very different types) vaccinations against Covid to stop the biggest medical catastrophy after the spanish flu is not "free speach" - it's just utterly bull****.
I'm working in Germany in a Covid-hospital. During the last 2 years we lost every day during the 4 waves 1-3 patients a day to it.
The nurses and doctors are tired and many are quitting after 2 years (with the begin of the new year). We are not able to "ride" the 4th wave in the hospitals, if not nearly 90% of the adult population (worldwide) are/will be vaccinated this year.
All my colleagues and all my family is 2 x vaccinated and boostered. Even our 6y old boy is 1x vaccinated.
I'm would not dare to post about driving a truck or repairing a motor. I don't know anything about this.
But I cannot understand, how everyone who is able to surf at YT, Insta or Telegram could think now that he/she did a valid recherche about Covid and its therapy/strategy against it.
Lie and more people die, simple as that. And if you do not know you are lying, then you have literally been brain washed. The problem is people are not all that good at understanding some things, we all get a bunch of vaccines as children, and tetanus shots throughout life, yet people want to demonize the Covid vaccine, why?, because some people want something to protest about, I think that is all it is. Makes their life exciting.
It is like the Nicaraguan war with the contra rebels, when it finally ended they interviewed one of the contra rebel leaders and asked him about the war ending, he said, " I miss waking up to the sound of gunfire" when government troops were attacking their camp in the early morning. It was exciting, and people do need that, but there are other ways to get it, like windfoiling!
T36, Sandman. I also used to be in medical field (computational genomics though) and you guys are missing the point. Making vaccines available and coercion is very different. You don't tell people who eat german sausage not to come to hospitals because they may have higher risk of heart attacks and cause strain to the system. :) You look for ways to treat, protocols which is not done. You research natural immunity which is not done, you don't shut down antibody treatments. I'm in NY and my family just had covid a week ago. I would say about 5-10% of fully vaccinated and boosted people I know (friends, friends of friends) didn't get sick from latest covid. People don't rebel against vaccines but against mandates and coercion.
As far as nurses and doctors being tired... don't go into that field then and if you do read some war stories about doctors and nurses and realize that in hard times work can be hard. Reminds me of a joke of Nato soldiers loosing to Russian because they didn't have toilet paper.
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T36, Sandman. I also used to be in medical field (computational genomics though) and you guys are missing the point. Making vaccines available and coercion is very different. You don't tell people who eat german sausage not to come to hospitals because they may have higher risk of heart attacks and cause strain to the system. :) You look for ways to treat, protocols which is not done. You research natural immunity which is not done, you don't shut down antibody treatments. I'm in NY and my family just had covid a week ago. I would say about 5-10% of fully vaccinated and boosted people I know (friends, friends of friends) didn't get sick from latest covid. People don't rebel against vaccines but against mandates and coercion.
As far as nurses and doctors being tired... don't go into that field then and if you do read some war stories about doctors and nurses and realize that in hard times work can be hard. Reminds me of a joke of Nato soldiers loosing to Russian because they didn't have toilet paper.
Yet these same people are "coerced" in a thousand other ways every day and don't seem to mind. This is a political sh**show, not medical. I don't see these same people marching against the "coercion" of mandatory draft sign ups, auto insurance, and a thousand other things. It's only when the talking heads on certain media outlets made it political that they somehow decided that this was the hill to (literally) die on.
All the truckers? Coerced into commercial licenses, log books, insurance, inspections. All the antivax soldiers lined up for dozens of previous vaccines without a squawk. In every school in the US, prior to this, students couldn't matriculate without having the full slate of childhood vaxes.
And the talking heads? The place of employment at the biggest broadcaster requires it and all the behind the scenes staff are wearing masks while these opportunists contribute to the FUD.
Oh, and the funniest part about the Canadian truckers - a big part of their protest was about US requirements, not Canadian.
Meanwhile, 3.5 billion (last number I saw) vaxes administered and the great catastrophe they predict hasn't happened. But everyday, we still see new evidence of the long term effects of COVID even if it doesn't kill you. Internal organ damage, higher near term mortality rates and the intense usage of hospital services.
Nurses and doctors didn't sign up for this crap. Source - married to somebody in the medical field. Read the accounts of people on the front line, how intensely they've been overburdened for two years, the conditions they've had to work in, watching people die awful deaths, and, now, die completely avoidable deaths. They signed up to heal people, not be subjected to the **** thrown at them on a daily basis. These are people already accustomed to the worst that normally happens to humans and this exceeds that. And, when all those people who have ignored medical advice get the 'rona, they end up somehow going to the same medical community to save them.
Sorry, "It's what he signed up for," was said by someone else and it was not a good look. Telling anyone - nurse, solder, firefighter - "that's what you signed up for" and sending them into an avoidable situation just to watch themselves and others die is, again, not a good look. You may want to think long and hard about that one. I hope and don't think this is who you are.
"As far as nurses and doctors being tired... don't go into that field then".
Sure.
6 year studys, 22 years university hospital, 4 years academic hospital with treating covid since the beginning.
You are the proof of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Or worse, to be honest.
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"As far as nurses and doctors being tired... don't go into that field then".
Sure.
6 year studys, 22 years university hospital, 4 years academic hospital with treating covid since the beginning.
You are the proof of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Or worse, to be honest.
You get paid very well for the great work you do.
me - yes.
But I wrote the doctors and nurses are tired, not something about me.
The nurses are not well payed (in Europe) at all. After >25 years in this theater - I have never seen the teams so exhausted, depressed, tired, sad, angry about the covid-lunatics and ready to leave. Or leaving.
I would say that the lines from Mr. Leto are so cruel and wide beside what is acceptable behaviour.
If you have a new diagnostized cancer, 75% of the oncological centers in Germany are not taking new patients in (in the last 4-6 weeks) anymore. Many patients will die (not only cancer), because the staff is done with its work.
Get your shots, and when you get omikron, you have a light flu and stay at home.
Hopefully this will be the final say (mine anyway). The opinions expressed on this thread are notable diverse, some are short, some are long. Everyone has their 'vibe' about covid, mandates etc. That is because it is a political issue as much as a health issue. We should accept this and stop trying to force our brand of 'health religion' down each other's throat. There is no one here who can properly umpire this unless we think we are God, or more informed than our peers.
I like Seabreeze because we talk about important stuff - windsurfing ...and unimportant stuff - more windsurfing. Let's stay on topic so that by coming to this forum we can enjoy life with the one thing we agree upon, that windsurfing is a great sport!
Another perspective.
From the outside, I look fit and healthy, but I have an autoimmune disease/blood cancer (aplastic anemia) which means my immune system is very weak. Just as I trust in my fellow citizens to stop at red lights, obey speed signs, (pay their taxes), and in a thousand other ways, I would also like to trust them to wear a mask and get vaccinated.
Sometimes we have to do things for our community whether we believe it is good for us or not.
But when you hear the statistics about the people who die from COVID with "underlying conditions" - that could be a person like me who, at 59, would actually prefer to live the next 20-30 years. I will go on fighting aplastic anemia, but I will be pissed off if I die because of an anti-vaxer...
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Another perspective.
From the outside, I look fit and healthy, but I have an autoimmune disease/blood cancer (aplastic anemia) which means my immune system is very weak. Just as I trust in my fellow citizens to stop at red lights, obey speed signs, (pay their taxes), and in a thousand other ways, I would also like to trust them to wear a mask and get vaccinated.
I'm very sorry you have this condition and hope you live another 50 amazing years but it's not how the world works. Aplastic anemia what is it .. maybe 4-5 cases per million. So you want everyone in Oz to wear masks forever (military respirators even better) and vaccinate 25 million people with vaccine that works in 5-10% of cases, kids etc and even pets to cater for 100-200 people with similar condition who potentially can pass it on since the cause is unknown. I can give many politically incorrect examples here but I bet most can think about quite a few. Are you also looking to pasteurize the ocean, I mean just in case. 
There is a ton of bad flora there.
Leto's words are cruel and behavior unacceptable ... I would say my words are rather pragmatic.
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Leto's words are cruel and behavior unacceptable ... I would say my words are rather pragmatic.
Pragmatism is a way to reach for a goal. Not the goal itself.
Your words appear to ignore people that don't matter to you. If you state that your goal is to get back to a normal life for you and not bother too much about other people that are less fortunate, then yes, your approach is pragmatic.
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... and vaccinate 25 million people with vaccine that works in 5-10% of cases....
This thing bugs me so much. A vaccine that protects well against the worst of Delta variant, yet not so effective when it comes to Omicron, which is relatively mild anyway. Sounds like a win to me.
Being able to match a vaccine against the next super variant would be a good skill to have before it even happened.
Yet, when there is mention of a vaccine being created to target Omicron, i.e. much better than '5 to 10%', there are cries of 'we cannot tolerate more vaccines', which conveniently ignores that your body cannot tolerate a full attack from an aggressive variant.
Select to expand quoteleto said.. I'm very sorry you have this condition and hope you live another 50 amazing years but it's not how the world works. Aplastic anemia what is it .. maybe 4-5 cases per million. So you want everyone in Oz to wear masks forever (military respirators even better) and vaccinate 25 million people with vaccine that works in 5-10% of cases, kids etc and even pets to cater for 100-200 people with similar condition who potentially can pass it on since the cause is unknown. I can give many politically incorrect examples here but I bet most can think about quite a few. Are you also looking to pasteurize the ocean, I mean just in case. There is a ton of bad flora there.
Leto's words are cruel and behavior unacceptable ... I would say my words are rather pragmatic.
There are a ton of other conditions that reduce immunity so its not 4 or 5 people per million.
There are other conditions that induce respiratory failure, which is of course very relevant.
He never said he wants people to wear masks for his group of 100 in australia - its for the tens of thousands who are not well
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I'm very sorry you have this condition and hope you live another 50 amazing years but it's not how the world works. Aplastic anemia what is it .. maybe 4-5 cases per million. So you want everyone in Oz to wear masks forever (military respirators even better) and vaccinate 25 million people with vaccine that works in 5-10% of cases, kids etc and even pets to cater for 100-200 people with similar condition who potentially can pass it on since the cause is unknown. I can give many politically incorrect examples here but I bet most can think about quite a few. Are you also looking to pasteurize the ocean, I mean just in case. There is a ton of bad flora there.
Leto's words are cruel and behavior unacceptable ... I would say my words are rather pragmatic.
You are quite right, it would be selfish of me to ask anyone to change their behaviors just for me and the rare people with my condition. The point I failed to make clearly, and as Mark points out, I am unfortunately part of a very large group of people who have immune system issues, respiratory issues, and possibly other issues that make them vulnerable. Otherwise healthy people appear to take the attitude that they don't need to be vaccinated because they probably won't get that sick. It would be like a truck driver running a red light because they probably won't be injured in the crash.
The real point I was actually trying to make is that I have often heard comments to the effect, "Oh well, the people who are dying are old or they have underlying issues" - like they don't matter. I think they matter, their family thinks they matter, and I believe everyone in the community should be willing to make a minor sacrifice for them.
But I am biassed.
The thread was deleted because it was about a bunch of truckers getting together in Canada. Could you possibly get more removed from windsurfing?
Seabreeze is, and always has been, about watersports, and this forum is about windsurfing.
Politics, Religion, Conspiracies, and Covid have many other appropriate outlets .. just not here.
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