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thedoor
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16 Nov 2020 12:32PM
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Kinda feel like the Shred Sled and I are not meant to be. Wind gusts to over 50MPH today. Went to the lake and looked, but it was just too gnarly. Gonna return it to the shop and see what happens this spring.


Maybe a wizard 114? I can make that go pretty early with my i99 and 6m flyer. That could be a one board quiver, if you are under 80kg.

excav8ter
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17 Nov 2020 8:45AM
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excav8ter said..
Kinda feel like the Shred Sled and I are not meant to be. Wind gusts to over 50MPH today. Went to the lake and looked, but it was just too gnarly. Gonna return it to the shop and see what happens this spring.



Maybe a wizard 114? I can make that go pretty early with my i99 and 6m flyer. That could be a one board quiver, if you are under 80kg.


Unfortunately I'm 100kg (220lbs and 6'4").
The wind just isn't cooperating with my schedule. If there has been wind when I can get out it's been blowing at nearly gale force. This weekends forecast looks pretty good. Hopefully I can get out.

thedoor
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17 Nov 2020 10:55AM
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excav8ter said..
Kinda feel like the Shred Sled and I are not meant to be. Wind gusts to over 50MPH today. Went to the lake and looked, but it was just too gnarly. Gonna return it to the shop and see what happens this spring.




Maybe a wizard 114? I can make that go pretty early with my i99 and 6m flyer. That could be a one board quiver, if you are under 80kg.



Unfortunately I'm 100kg (220lbs and 6'4").
The wind just isn't cooperating with my schedule. If there has been wind when I can get out it's been blowing at nearly gale force. This weekends forecast looks pretty good. Hopefully I can get out.


100kg aint bad for 6'4" but 115L is pushing it. Seems like the levi plus the wingboard might be the go,

excav8ter
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18 Nov 2020 1:51AM
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excav8ter said..
Kinda feel like the Shred Sled and I are not meant to be. Wind gusts to over 50MPH today. Went to the lake and looked, but it was just too gnarly. Gonna return it to the shop and see what happens this spring.





Maybe a wizard 114? I can make that go pretty early with my i99 and 6m flyer. That could be a one board quiver, if you are under 80kg.




Unfortunately I'm 100kg (220lbs and 6'4").
The wind just isn't cooperating with my schedule. If there has been wind when I can get out it's been blowing at nearly gale force. This weekends forecast looks pretty good. Hopefully I can get out.



100kg aint bad for 6'4" but 115L is pushing it. Seems like the levi plus the wingboard might be the go,


Kinda feeling like that too. I have the Quatro 6'x30" wing drifter pro and have enjoyed it. I am hoping to get the Shred Sled out this weekend yet. Hopefully it will happen. The forecast looks good so far.

thedoor
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21 Nov 2020 1:58AM
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www.instagram.com/p/CH0RKefjoCU/

One more conclusion about the shredsled, much less pumping is required to get going on a board like this. Because the foil is so forward and the chinned tail you can just lean back and the thing rises if sail to foil ratio is right. There is an example about 2/3 of the way through this video

excav8ter
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22 Nov 2020 4:54AM
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www.instagram.com/p/CH0RKefjoCU/

One more conclusion about the shredsled, much less pumping is required to get going on a board like this. Because the foil is so forward and the chinned tail you can just lean back and the thing rises if sail to foil ratio is right. There is an example about 2/3 of the way through this video


I still have the Shred Sled in my truck. The shop said to hold on to it for awhile yet. Hopefully some wind comes up on a day I can get out.

How big of a sail do you think the Sled will handle? Would it handle an 8.2 Flyer? Or is it more about rider skill than board? I really enjoy my Levitator 160, but would like something shorter. Maybe should just drop down to the Levitator 150?

thedoor
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22 Nov 2020 10:10AM
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thedoor said..
www.instagram.com/p/CH0RKefjoCU/

One more conclusion about the shredsled, much less pumping is required to get going on a board like this. Because the foil is so forward and the chinned tail you can just lean back and the thing rises if sail to foil ratio is right. There is an example about 2/3 of the way through this video



I still have the Shred Sled in my truck. The shop said to hold on to it for awhile yet. Hopefully some wind comes up on a day I can get out.

How big of a sail do you think the Sled will handle? Would it handle an 8.2 Flyer? Or is it more about rider skill than board? I really enjoy my Levitator 160, but would like something shorter. Maybe should just drop down to the Levitator 150?


I schlogged around on it today with a 7m flyer, which it does great. Not enough wind to foil even with i99 5-10mph. I think if it was 10-15 I could probably have gotten going with my 6m flyer and i99.

I can't see why it wouldn't handle an 8m flyer. I think the shredsled is 7ft, same as levi 160, but the SS might feel shorter as it's track is so far forward. I imagine the difference between the Levi 150 and 160 is pretty marginal

If your wingding to sailfoil is going to be 80% wing then shredsled could be good

If your ratio is more 50% sail or more I would be leaning towards wizard 130 (like dean is rocking), and keeping the levi 160 for super marginal days

excav8ter
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22 Nov 2020 10:29PM
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excav8ter said..


thedoor said..
www.instagram.com/p/CH0RKefjoCU/

One more conclusion about the shredsled, much less pumping is required to get going on a board like this. Because the foil is so forward and the chinned tail you can just lean back and the thing rises if sail to foil ratio is right. There is an example about 2/3 of the way through this video




I still have the Shred Sled in my truck. The shop said to hold on to it for awhile yet. Hopefully some wind comes up on a day I can get out.

How big of a sail do you think the Sled will handle? Would it handle an 8.2 Flyer? Or is it more about rider skill than board? I really enjoy my Levitator 160, but would like something shorter. Maybe should just drop down to the Levitator 150?



I schlogged around on it today with a 7m flyer, which it does great. Not enough wind to foil even with i99 5-10mph. I think if it was 10-15 I could probably have gotten going with my 6m flyer and i99.

I can't see why it wouldn't handle an 8m flyer. I think the shredsled is 7ft, same as levi 160, but the SS might feel shorter as it's track is so far forward. I imagine the difference between the Levi 150 and 160 is pretty marginal

If your wingding to sailfoil is going to be 80% wing then shredsled could be good

If your ratio is more 50% sail or more I would be leaning towards wizard 130 (like dean is rocking), and keeping the levi 160 for super marginal days


Can you tell me what the Shred Sled "feels" like when wind foiling? Being much further forward, is the Sled more twitchy and kind of unpredictable? Is it harder to jibe? I am still learning to jibe and ride swell downwind.

thedoor
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23 Nov 2020 9:41AM
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thedoor said..


excav8ter said..



thedoor said..
www.instagram.com/p/CH0RKefjoCU/

One more conclusion about the shredsled, much less pumping is required to get going on a board like this. Because the foil is so forward and the chinned tail you can just lean back and the thing rises if sail to foil ratio is right. There is an example about 2/3 of the way through this video





I still have the Shred Sled in my truck. The shop said to hold on to it for awhile yet. Hopefully some wind comes up on a day I can get out.

How big of a sail do you think the Sled will handle? Would it handle an 8.2 Flyer? Or is it more about rider skill than board? I really enjoy my Levitator 160, but would like something shorter. Maybe should just drop down to the Levitator 150?




I schlogged around on it today with a 7m flyer, which it does great. Not enough wind to foil even with i99 5-10mph. I think if it was 10-15 I could probably have gotten going with my 6m flyer and i99.

I can't see why it wouldn't handle an 8m flyer. I think the shredsled is 7ft, same as levi 160, but the SS might feel shorter as it's track is so far forward. I imagine the difference between the Levi 150 and 160 is pretty marginal

If your wingding to sailfoil is going to be 80% wing then shredsled could be good

If your ratio is more 50% sail or more I would be leaning towards wizard 130 (like dean is rocking), and keeping the levi 160 for super marginal days



Can you tell me what the Shred Sled "feels" like when wind foiling? Being much further forward, is the Sled more twitchy and kind of unpredictable? Is it harder to jibe? I am still learning to jibe and ride swell downwind.


Compared to the wizard and levitator It is much more maneuverable/sensitive to mast foot input. This increased sensitivity makes it harder to gybe, but makes it much easier to control a lifting foil. The wizard is the easiest to gybe out of the three. Shredsled is much better at riding swell than levi.

You can make the shred sled less sensitive by removing straps, and pushing mast base and foil mast as far apart as possible. Increasing that distance decreases sensitivity. I have not tried that, though as I need the security of straps. I have to give strapless another go.

Bondalucci
VIC, 1566 posts
23 Nov 2020 11:32PM
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Hi Door. Just wondering what length fuse you are using with the shred sled? cheers

thedoor
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24 Nov 2020 2:53AM
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Hi Door. Just wondering what length fuse you are using with the shred sled? cheers


Slingshot long fuse. I gave up on the short fuse for windfoiling about 2 years ago.

excav8ter
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29 Nov 2020 9:37AM
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excav8ter said..
Kinda feel like the Shred Sled and I are not meant to be. Wind gusts to over 50MPH today. Went to the lake and looked, but it was just too gnarly. Gonna return it to the shop and see what happens this spring.






Maybe a wizard 114? I can make that go pretty early with my i99 and 6m flyer. That could be a one board quiver, if you are under 80kg.





Unfortunately I'm 100kg (220lbs and 6'4").
The wind just isn't cooperating with my schedule. If there has been wind when I can get out it's been blowing at nearly gale force. This weekends forecast looks pretty good. Hopefully I can get out.




100kg aint bad for 6'4" but 115L is pushing it. Seems like the levi plus the wingboard might be the go,



I finally got to take the Shred Sled out today. Wind was 14-22mph. Rigged my 4.8 Duotone Super session and installed the i84. Hit the water and got going. Had a little bit of a hard time getting it on foil, and when I did, it felt super twitchy. Didn't really like that feeling. Seemed to turn well, but again it was very twitchy and I had a hard time maintaining level-ish flight. Spent about 30 minutes on it and headed to shore to bust out my 6.4 Slingwing and my 6' Quatro wing drifter. Spent the next hour or so using that. Wind was almost not enough for me at my size and skill level yet. If I had my Levitator I'd have been on that. I really like the Levitator for the long carving turns i enjoy doing. It will ride swell pretty well too. I'm not going to be ripping turns, but hadn't ever planned on it. Thinking I'm sticking with the Levitator and a wing board. Definitely need to work on my winging skills.

Bondalucci
VIC, 1566 posts
29 Nov 2020 2:10PM
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Hi Excav8ter.
I've been waiting for you to get out on it, with a bit of interest...
Did you try the Shred Sled with the wing? Do you think it would be less twitchy ridden as a wing board compared to a Windfoiling board?
I'm curious, because my Fanatic Sky Sup 6'11" is basically the same board and I'm trying to learn to windfoil on it. I'm finding it really twitchy, but don't have pre existing foiling skills, so have no yard stick to compare it with. I'll eventually try winging, but thought windfoiling was my best entry as I'm coming from a windsurfing background.

boardsurfr
WA, 1219 posts
30 Nov 2020 12:49AM
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I'm curious, because my Fanatic Sky Sup 6'11" is basically the same board and I'm trying to learn to windfoil on it. I'm finding it really twitchy, but don't have pre existing foiling skills, so have no yard stick to compare it with. I'll eventually try winging, but thought windfoiling was my best entry as I'm coming from a windsurfing background.


After learning to windfoil on an old, long slalom board, I bought a couple of "hybrid" boards similar to your Sky SUP. I also found them quite twitchy. I had fun only in a small subset of sessions when everything was just right, while the old board was fun almost every time. I eventually gave up and bought a big, long, and wide windfoil-specific board that was tons of fun from the very first session on (a Fanatic Stringray 140).

segler
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30 Nov 2020 1:45AM
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+1 for the Fanatic Stingray 140. It is now my go-to board for freeride foiling. I weigh 195 lb. This board has the volume (140 liter) and width (85 cm) to make things pleasant with jibes and tacks. This board has weaned me off my formula board for foiling.

My other dedicated foilboard ride was 135 liter and 75 cm wide. It was a great board when up on the foil, but I swam too much with it when turning. I sold it to a friend who weighs 170 lb. It is goldilocks for him.

excav8ter
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30 Nov 2020 7:04AM
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Hi Excav8ter.
I've been waiting for you to get out on it, with a bit of interest...
Did you try the Shred Sled with the wing? Do you think it would be less twitchy ridden as a wing board compared to a Windfoiling board?
I'm curious, because my Fanatic Sky Sup 6'11" is basically the same board and I'm trying to learn to windfoil on it. I'm finding it really twitchy, but don't have pre existing foiling skills, so have no yard stick to compare it with. I'll eventually try winging, but thought windfoiling was my best entry as I'm coming from a windsurfing background.


I did try it with my 6.4 V2 wing and the i84. That went better than wind foiling. Plenty of volume and quite stable, and it wasn't as twitchy as it was for wind foiling. I only made a few passes as I wanted to get on my Quatro and keep learning on that.
Next spring I will probably pick up the Shred sled again and try it. I'm sure it would be fine after some learning and playing with the universal joint location and maybe move the foil mast back a bit to see if that calms it down a bit.
At this point, I own the Levitator and the Quatro. I also invested in a Duotone S-pace 9.3 for really light wind, and I am certain the Shred Sled would be useless with the 9.3.

thedoor
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1 Dec 2020 1:52AM
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The SS is certainly more sensitive to input so I need to adjust my pumping/sail handling style quite a bit. The SS foils up very easily with the foil so forward, so less pumping is needed

I tried it again without straps yesterday and I still don't care for no straps, so I put the front straps back on. I really like knowing that my front foot is in the right place and I like the increased lateral stability the strap creates. I think I might try and make or buy something like www.blueplanetsurf.com/eva-foil-foot-hook-w-3m-adhesive-each.html

Wind was in the 10-15 mph range and I was on a 7m flyer and i99. Pretty fun time. my top speed on that set up was 14 knots.

azymuth
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1 Dec 2020 8:59AM
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thedoor said.. I tried it again without straps yesterday and I still don't care for no straps, so I put the front straps back on. I really like knowing that my front foot is in the right place and I like the increased lateral stability the strap creates. I think I might try and make or buy something like www.blueplanetsurf.com/eva-foil-foot-hook-w-3m-adhesive-each.html


Let me know how you go - I'm going to buy some EVA and experiment too.
I tend to push against the front side of both straps so it might work.

Hoping foam blocks and grippy shoes like Vibram 5 Fingers will get close to the functionality of footstraps without the downside
www.wildfiresports.com.au/vibram-v-aqua-mens-shoes

Bondalucci
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1 Dec 2020 1:38PM
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The SS is certainly more sensitive to input so I need to adjust my pumping/sail handling style quite a bit. The SS foils up very easily with the foil so forward, so less pumping is needed

I tried it again without straps yesterday and I still don't care for no straps, so I put the front straps back on. I really like knowing that my front foot is in the right place and I like the increased lateral stability the strap creates. I think I might try and make or buy something like www.blueplanetsurf.com/eva-foil-foot-hook-w-3m-adhesive-each.html

Wind was in the 10-15 mph range and I was on a 7m flyer and i99. Pretty fun time. my top speed on that set up was 14 knots.


Is the 7m flyer you refer to a wing or a windsurf sail?
With my Sky sup I'm working on the theory of trying to spread the sail mast and the foil mast as far apart as possible to try in reduce sensitivity while I learn. Does that sound like the right thing to do? Open to suggestions.
( I'm using an Axis 75 mast and S series 750 front wing)

thedoor
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1 Dec 2020 10:57AM
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thedoor said..
The SS is certainly more sensitive to input so I need to adjust my pumping/sail handling style quite a bit. The SS foils up very easily with the foil so forward, so less pumping is needed

I tried it again without straps yesterday and I still don't care for no straps, so I put the front straps back on. I really like knowing that my front foot is in the right place and I like the increased lateral stability the strap creates. I think I might try and make or buy something like www.blueplanetsurf.com/eva-foil-foot-hook-w-3m-adhesive-each.html

Wind was in the 10-15 mph range and I was on a 7m flyer and i99. Pretty fun time. my top speed on that set up was 14 knots.



Is the 7m flyer you refer to a wing or a windsurf sail?
With my Sky sup I'm working on the theory of trying to spread the sail mast and the foil mast as far apart as possible to try in reduce sensitivity while I learn. Does that sound like the right thing to do? Open to suggestions.
( I'm using an Axis 75 mast and S series 750 front wing)


Sail, I have not tried winging yet. Yes you are on the right track by spreading sail mast and foil as far apart as possible, but you will have to adjust your foot position accordingly The leverage of mast base pressure and your center of mass needs to be offset by the lift of the foil, so if you find you are unable to fly then you obviously need to move your feet back or scoot the foil forwards. As you get better you will want to gradually shorten that distance.

thedoor
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2 Dec 2020 2:54AM
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thedoor said.. I tried it again without straps yesterday and I still don't care for no straps, so I put the front straps back on. I really like knowing that my front foot is in the right place and I like the increased lateral stability the strap creates. I think I might try and make or buy something like www.blueplanetsurf.com/eva-foil-foot-hook-w-3m-adhesive-each.html



Let me know how you go - I'm going to buy some EVA and experiment too.
I tend to push against the front side of both straps so it might work.

Hoping foam blocks and grippy shoes like Vibram 5 Fingers will get close to the functionality of footstraps without the downside
www.wildfiresports.com.au/vibram-v-aqua-mens-shoes


Prototype 1. I don't expect this foam to hold up, but it's all i had. I have a couple of EVA yoga blocks on order. These are 9x4. I think the 9x6 yoga brick should work better.





utcminusfour
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2 Dec 2020 8:15AM
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thedoor,
This foot strap concept sounds familiar, I remember many discussions about this in this forum. I never have any luck searching this forum and I could not find it, perhaps some one else can dig it up. It may help because it documented the process of someones protos like yours to a much more refined product. By the way Huston Kiteboarding hooked me up with a great deal on a shred sled and I wll be rocking one soon. I already have plans to put some inserts in for forward straps a bit further off centerline.

thedoor
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2 Dec 2020 8:55AM
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thedoor,
This foot strap concept sounds familiar, I remember many discussions about this in this forum. I never have any luck searching this forum and I could not find it, perhaps some one else can dig it up. It may help because it documented the process of someones protos like yours to a much more refined product. By the way Huston Kiteboarding hooked me up with a great deal on a shred sled and I wll be rocking one soon. I already have plans to put some inserts in for forward straps a bit further off centerline.


I would love to put in some new inserts too, but I have never done it. Make a record of how you do it, and maybe I can do the same. I would suggest about 3-5 inches further back than the winging straps.

thedoor
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6 Dec 2020 12:48AM
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prototype 2 is a carved out yoga block. After I put my foot in, i don't think it would work on the water. I need the foot a bit more lateral.








thedoor
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6 Dec 2020 12:49AM
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prototype 3 is basically a knock off of the blue planet one linked above. I hope to try it today. I cut about 1.5 off the end of a yoga block.



thedoor
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12 Dec 2020 10:40AM
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prototype 3 is basically a knock off of the blue planet one linked above. I hope to try it today. I cut about 1.5 off the end of a yoga block.




This didn't work so great. So am gonna try the slingshot version off half straps with shims. I didn't care too much for the dakine halfstraps so we will see how these go


excav8ter
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12 Dec 2020 9:27PM
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Great, in depth review. Makes me want to try it again next spring.

utcminusfour
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7 Jan 2021 6:55AM
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I must have been nice this year because Santa brought me a new board and a windy week's vacation in south Florida!

Many thanks to my wife Kristen for the footage and for dropping everything to go play with me even though it's her busy time of year!

Info for the fellow gear heads:
Board: Slingshot Shred Sled
Light air: Goya 5.7 and Moses 1100
Breeze: Naish Nalu 4.5 and Moses 790

thedoor
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7 Jan 2021 8:33AM
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I must have been nice this year because Santa brought me a new board and a windy week's vacation in south Florida!

Many thanks to my wife Kristen for the footage and for dropping everything to go play with me even though it's her busy time of year!

Info for the fellow gear heads:
Board: Slingshot Shred Sled
Light air: Goya 5.7 and Moses 1100
Breeze: Naish Nalu 4.5 and Moses 790



Dude! you are killing it. I am reluctantly considering giving the strapless thing another go on the SS, but your video has given me quite a bit of inspiration to master the strapless thing.

What were your mast track and foil track settings?



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