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Foilstyling - Stronger mast for Naish Thrust WS1 foil? Other foil options?

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Created by gbm91 1 month ago, 27 Nov 2020
gbm91
VIC, 52 posts
27 Nov 2020 11:27AM
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Hey everyone,

Gear: 122L Naish Hover with Naish WS1 foil (70cm mast).

I've been getting into jumping with the foil (and looking to waveride too). However, the mast on the foil is pretty flimsy. It bent at the baseplate (approx 5 degrees from perpendicular) after a flat landing on the wing. Luckily I managed to bend it back and keep foiling.

70cm and moreso 90cm masts for these models seem hard to come by as they are out of production. I can't find info on compatibility with next generation masts or other brands.

I'm wondering what options there are in terms of getting a stronger mast? Make a carbon mast? Shorter mast would remove some of the issues but 70cm feels short already.

I like my setup and would prefer to keep it. However I'm open to finding out what other freeride foils could be stronger and better suited to foilstyling.

LeeD
2126 posts
27 Nov 2020 10:03AM
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S 25 is the new carbon mast.
Stay short for landing jumps.
Been out 2 months now

powersloshin
NSW, 1225 posts
27 Nov 2020 1:21PM
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yes latest masts cost a fortune but should be compatible with your gear and stiffer, they come with the plate to attach to the board included.
I think the Abracadabra system is the weakest, if you jump better get the full one piece plate, it's pretty quick to mount with the split slots


' Naish aluminum masts have been redesigned entirely for S25, achieving weight savings of 25%, increased stiffness in both bending and torsion as well as a new mast geometry offering easier control at any speed. They feature a new bonding system, which makes them a single unit with the board mount as well as the fuselage connection resulting in a sealed and more direct board connection system. Choose between:
Mast with Standard plate - 65 cm, 75 cm, 85 cm & 95 cm
Mast with Abracadabra - 75 cm (sold as complete Abracadabra System)
Mast with Deep Tuttle - 85 cm & 95 cm'

Bertie
NSW, 1337 posts
27 Nov 2020 3:17PM
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might be time to find a carbon mast and adapt it to suit your wings/fuse..... or upgrade the lot.

swoosh
QLD, 1803 posts
27 Nov 2020 7:26PM
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I don't think you have too many options unless you DIY. Isn't there some compatibility issue between 2017/2018 Naish masts even tho they look pretty similar? Someone explained it in a thread on here but I can't find it. Definitely recommend checking the fit before paying! Also advice above around the non-abracadabra plate is probably wise!

I've jumped my Fanatic Flow 1000 a lot, seems rock solid so far. If you would upgrade, the Fanatic and NP Glide Wind would probably be the go. Otherwise the Moses carbon look nice too. They are also probably the manufacturers that feature jumping of foils pretty prominently on their websites, so I'd assume they have done a reasonable amount of testing.

I'd probably stay away from BIG wings, so even tho some of the starboard range (supercruiser?) and the severne redwing have nice chunky masts, I'd probably still steer clear for now.

Had the Naish WS1 before, I didn't have any issues jumping that, but it's definitely nowhere near as solid. I did bend the tail a little... but the mast was ok. I suspect it would just be a matter of time.

LeeD
2126 posts
28 Nov 2020 3:34AM
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Naish user here.
If I were jumping my setup, I'd use my 65 cm mast with the 600 Kitewing. 77 kgs ready for water.
Small wing, less stress on mast and body.
Almost the same flying, same sail, maybe 2-4 more pumps.

LeeD
2126 posts
28 Nov 2020 3:37AM
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Oh.....
This 16 year old kid who jumps his SS setup has trashed at least 4 SS masts, 3 wings, and the mounting of the finbox.
He only comes where I sail maybe 5 times a season, but seems to be breaking gear like crazy. He's 125 lbs., mostly jumping the 65 size wings.

LeeD
2126 posts
29 Nov 2020 3:19AM
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You can fit '19 and '20 masts onto '18 ws fuse with a bit of sanding on the mast, and more fitting on the wing receptor. It's the shape that doesn't fit, so file a bit, try fir, then file some more.
If you Retro back, the loose fit can be tightened with silver real aluminum duct tape.

gbm91
VIC, 52 posts
30 Nov 2020 8:35AM
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Thanks for all the advice everyone!
The easiest option definitely seems to be getting an s25 mast. I'll see if any local shops have them so I can see how much work it will take to get them to fit the older fuselage.

airsail
QLD, 527 posts
30 Nov 2020 1:01PM
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Difficult to fix the breakage problem. Foils are designed to be in the water, not take the forces of jumping. Kiters get away with it as they use smaller surface area wings but if you land flat on a big wing, it's probably all over for any brand. I guess you could build something strong enough but it would end up thick and heavy, exactly the opposite of what you want.

LeeD
2126 posts
1 Dec 2020 6:26AM
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If you buy an s25 mast, get a 2020 fuze.....or a 2019 fuze, with it.

LeeD
2126 posts
1 Dec 2020 6:26AM
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If you buy an s25 mast, get a 2020 fuze.....or a 2019 fuze, with it.



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