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Best non-foling sails for freeride foiling

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Created by thedoor > 9 months ago, 4 Apr 2020
thedoor
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7 Apr 2020 8:51AM
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tonyk said..
might be easier to ask what sail does 'not work


yep. but there's been a few nuggets of info up above

WhiteofHeart
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7 Apr 2020 2:13PM
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tonyk said..
might be easier to ask what sail does 'not work






But on a more serious note, sails which generally do not work for the average practicioner would be 4 cam slalom sails, they are really inefficient in the low-end. For the rest it basically comes down to the preference of (a relatively more) loose leech vs thight leech.

Shlogger
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8 Apr 2020 8:19AM
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Hess said..
This video is a few years old but I found it helped me when rigging my sails old sails for foiling
Bruces's reasoning also made sense to me




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Shlogger said..
I use my 2019 5.3 Ezzy Elite it seems 75% of the time, I also only WWF foil. If it's fresh, I rig it tight and love the feel. But if it's marginal, I rig it super full, more than I'd normally wavesail with and I'm surprised how soon I can get up. Huge range. I also have a 5.7 Fringe which is nice as well that I can get a touch more grunt out of, but that sails down haul has to be rigged to spec and as previously posted you play w the outhaul just enough to get easy batten rotation.


thedoor
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8 Apr 2020 11:57AM
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So either my son's super freak maui edition is a big upgrade or my riding skills are much better.

Just had a pretty epic session on the infinity 65 with his 4.7 SF ME. Much more controllable than the Naish lift 4.7 I tried the other day.

gorgesailor
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9 Apr 2020 12:24AM
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thedoor said..
So either my son's super freak maui edition is a big upgrade or my riding skills are much better.

Just had a pretty epic session on the infinity 65 with his 4.7 SF ME. Much more controllable than the Naish lift 4.7 I tried the other day.


The SFME is much more stable & draft forward than the classic Superfreak & no doubt the Naish Lift as well. The main drawback to using the SFME for foiling is that in severe lulls it will tend to deflate due to the 3/4 battens but as long as you have a bit of wind in it it should handle beautifully & have good gust absorption character.

thedoor
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9 Apr 2020 12:39AM
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gorgesailor said..

thedoor said..
So either my son's super freak maui edition is a big upgrade or my riding skills are much better.

Just had a pretty epic session on the infinity 65 with his 4.7 SF ME. Much more controllable than the Naish lift 4.7 I tried the other day.



The SFME is much more stable & draft forward than the classic Superfreak & no doubt the Naish Lift as well. The main drawback to using the SFME for foiling is that in severe lulls it will tend to deflate due to the 3/4 battens but as long as you have a bit of wind in it it should handle beautifully & have good gust absorption character.


OK cool. I did notice less power with pumping versus the lift (the lift has a low clew and lots more sail area below the boom?), so there will always be tradeoffs.

I am thinking that when the wind is up the infinity 65 and SFME could be a good combo, when it is lighter I will go back to the 76 and the naish lift.

LeeD
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9 Apr 2020 1:39AM
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Steadiness of wind greatly affects the kind of sail you would prefer.
My HSSFME seems excellent [4.5] in 9-17 mph breeze, but is slogging or op'd in 5-22, more typical in our venue.
My fully downhauled NR seems stable at 22+, and pumps better below 8, than the Freak.

hoop
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9 Apr 2020 1:42AM
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Miles per hour is an irrelevant measurement.
Use knots or else no one has a clue what you're banging on about.

LeeD
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9 Apr 2020 1:55AM
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A little math never hurts anyone.
Many ways to measure speed, so if you think yourself somewhat knowledgeable, you can do
the math.
ft./sec.
meter/second
knots
mph
Nautical mile
What's that Bufourt?

gorgesailor
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9 Apr 2020 1:56AM
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thedoor said..

gorgesailor said..


thedoor said..
So either my son's super freak maui edition is a big upgrade or my riding skills are much better.

Just had a pretty epic session on the infinity 65 with his 4.7 SF ME. Much more controllable than the Naish lift 4.7 I tried the other day.




The SFME is much more stable & draft forward than the classic Superfreak & no doubt the Naish Lift as well. The main drawback to using the SFME for foiling is that in severe lulls it will tend to deflate due to the 3/4 battens but as long as you have a bit of wind in it it should handle beautifully & have good gust absorption character.



OK cool. I did notice less power with pumping versus the lift (the lift has a low clew and lots more sail area below the boom?), so there will always be tradeoffs.

I am thinking that when the wind is up the infinity 65 and SFME could be a good combo, when it is lighter I will go back to the 76 and the naish lift.


I actually think the SFME pumps pretty well as when you pump it the draft fills in. Where it doesn't work as well is when you need "static" shape in the sail such as Shlogging in very light lulls.

gorgesailor
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9 Apr 2020 1:59AM
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LeeD said..
Steadiness of wind greatly affects the kind of sail you would prefer.
My HSSFME seems excellent [4.5] in 9-17 mph breeze, but is slogging or op'd in 5-22, more typical in our venue.
My fully downhauled NR seems stable at 22+, and pumps better below 8, than the Freak.


Hotsails never made a 4.5 SFME. It would be 4.7 or 4.2. If you had a 4.5 SF it was the original - not ME.... big difference.

LeeD
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9 Apr 2020 2:43AM
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You are correct. I am wrong.
4.5 is standard with 3 kevlar strings down leech and 2 from tack to 2nd batten.
Unfortunately, what I recalled was my previous 4.2 SFME, which I gave to a local freestyler 3 years ago.
I apologised for MY confusion.

LeeD
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9 Apr 2020 2:43AM
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You are correct. I am wrong.
4.5 is standard with 3 kevlar strings down leech and 2 from tack to 2nd batten.
Unfortunately, what I recalled was my previous 4.2 SFME, which I gave to a local freestyler 3 years ago.
I apologised for MY confusion.

Gwarn
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10 Apr 2020 1:17AM
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The Ezzy Taka Works well for my style 16 knots and up soft and forgiving = Fun easy carving foiling.


LeeD
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10 Apr 2020 1:44AM
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Gwarn, you're a big boy. Could you tell us what size Taka you use in typical 16-22 knot winds?

Gwarn
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10 Apr 2020 2:23AM
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4.7 or 4.1 on a SS105 with a moses 790 front wing. I just need to be able to waterstart.

The quiver is Taka 3.4, 3.8, 4.1, 4.7, 5.3,and a elite 6.1.



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