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Floz - Trigg DW - Infringements and Board Confiscations

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Created by danno 2 months ago, 8 Apr 2019
danno
WA, 105 posts
8 Apr 2019 9:02AM
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Hi all,
I posted a 'soap-box' rant a few weeks ago regarding kooks and the flags.
Finally, the City of Stirling and Beach Rangers have had enough of the kooks riding through the flags.
A new sign was installed at the Trigg kite landing area by the City of Stirling.
Rangers will now issue fines and have powers to confiscate equipment and prohibit riders from doing the DW.
Remember - you must remain >200 metres offshore of the flagged area, REGARDLESS OF WHERTHER THERE ARE SWIMMERS IN THE FLAGS OR NOT.
Spread the word, educate the kooks and help and keep our awesome Floz-Trigg DW run open.

cauncy
WA, 7211 posts
8 Apr 2019 10:17AM
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Here's one
get signage up at start points
if you dwind regular then there's no excuses, but visiting kiters wouldnt know local rules regs spots

cauncy
WA, 7211 posts
8 Apr 2019 10:19AM
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Exactly how will they execute this equipment confiscation , that's be fun to see

ReefWalker
WA, 81 posts
8 Apr 2019 2:56PM
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cauncy said..
Exactly how will they execute this equipment confiscation , that's be fun to see


yeah, I imagine there would be a number of punters that would challenge a ranger's right to take a few thousand dollars worth of equipment from them...

ReefWalker
WA, 81 posts
8 Apr 2019 2:59PM
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cauncy said..
Here's one
get signage up at start points
if you dwind regular then there's no excuses, but visiting kiters wouldnt know local rules regs spots


Start point is in the Town of Cambridge which complicates things

danno
WA, 105 posts
8 Apr 2019 4:37PM
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cauncy said..
Exactly how will they execute this equipment confiscation , that's be fun to see


I used to be a Professional lifeguard working with the rangers with City of Cambridge back in the day.
Watched them issue infringements and confiscate boards plenty of times.
It's pretty easy to issue infringements and explain your powers under the City's by-laws.

danno
WA, 105 posts
8 Apr 2019 4:39PM
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ReefWalker said..

cauncy said..
Here's one
get signage up at start points
if you dwind regular then there's no excuses, but visiting kiters wouldnt know local rules regs spots



Start point is in the Town of Cambridge which complicates things


Yeah, the City of Stirling rangers did explain that challenge re start-point being in City of Cambridge. The councils would need to start to work together. But, the point is, as soon as the infringements start flowing, hopefully people will start taking notice and spread the word.

cauncy
WA, 7211 posts
8 Apr 2019 8:41PM
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danno said..

ReefWalker said..


cauncy said..
Here's one
get signage up at start points
if you dwind regular then there's no excuses, but visiting kiters wouldnt know local rules regs spots




Start point is in the Town of Cambridge which complicates things



Yeah, the City of Stirling rangers did explain that challenge re start-point being in City of Cambridge. The councils would need to start to work together. But, the point is, as soon as the infringements start flowing, hopefully people will start taking notice and spread the word.


So your an international tourist, how would that work

cauncy
WA, 7211 posts
8 Apr 2019 8:43PM
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Got me thinking, how many injuries/ accidents have actually taken place to have this on the agenda

Sauce
WA, 180 posts
8 Apr 2019 9:27PM
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Down winder has turned into flog central these past couple years.. seen blokes squaring up to others, dodging swimmers, buzzing the shoreline through flags and generally being angry cnts.

You make your bed....

With all the facebook pages running around, surely anyone can read up before rushing out.

I haven't heard of any swimmer injuries but think of it this way; the mayor of Stirling is a member of scarboro slsc. The clubbies have regular access to him. You cant match that lobby.

danno
WA, 105 posts
9 Apr 2019 10:31AM
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Sauce said..
Down winder has turned into flog central these past couple years.. seen blokes squaring up to others, dodging swimmers, buzzing the shoreline through flags and generally being angry cnts.

You make your bed....

With all the facebook pages running around, surely anyone can read up before rushing out.

I haven't heard of any swimmer injuries but think of it this way; the mayor of Stirling is a member of scarboro slsc. The clubbies have regular access to him. You cant match that lobby.



nor should we try and match that lobby - we, the kiters, should be giving respect to the tiny area of beach that has flags on it, a total of about 2% of the whole DW run. it's not that bloody hard to give every other beach user the right to have a swim and not be buzzed by some kook kiter...

danno
WA, 105 posts
9 Apr 2019 10:32AM
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cauncy said..
Got me thinking, how many injuries/ accidents have actually taken place to have this on the agenda


there's been more than enough near misses and kites dropped in the flagged area that I get why the clubbies are up in arms about this. If you were down here Cauncy you'd see just how many kooks cut through the flags every session. only takes one serious injury and it'll be all over....

Sauce
WA, 180 posts
9 Apr 2019 12:16PM
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danno said..

Sauce said..
Down winder has turned into flog central these past couple years.. seen blokes squaring up to others, dodging swimmers, buzzing the shoreline through flags and generally being angry cnts.

You make your bed....

With all the facebook pages running around, surely anyone can read up before rushing out.

I haven't heard of any swimmer injuries but think of it this way; the mayor of Stirling is a member of scarboro slsc. The clubbies have regular access to him. You cant match that lobby.




nor should we try and match that lobby - we, the kiters, should be giving respect to the tiny area of beach that has flags on it, a total of about 2% of the whole DW run. it's not that bloody hard to give every other beach user the right to have a swim and not be buzzed by some kook kiter...


100% agree.

eppo
WA, 7037 posts
9 Apr 2019 3:03PM
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Fck em" take their board and kite, Mr Ranger I say. For those of us who have been around since the early days it would be almost unbearable if they canned kiting along there.... because that would be a catalyst for many other spots.

And its happening all over the world, especially in the land of the brave and free (oh the irony) at an alarming rate.

Id encourage the true locals, especially those who have been at it a while to take control. Let the life guard and ranger know who the stupid prick is and go get him...

work with them to make the beach perceivabley safe from these wave warriors.

Such a problem in all areas hey... just a few wankers spoiling it for everyone. But confront them, give them what they deserve and you are left holding the problem.

cauncy
WA, 7211 posts
9 Apr 2019 8:23PM
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cauncy said..
Got me thinking, how many injuries/ accidents have actually taken place to have this on the agenda




there's been more than enough near misses and kites dropped in the flagged area that I get why the clubbies are up in arms about this. If you were down here Cauncy you'd see just how many kooks cut through the flags every session. only takes one serious injury and it'll be all over....



Well if you've seen it, do a bit of disciplining, pull them up tell them there a bit of a cock in a nice way, that doesn't work tell them their a bit of a cock in a bad way

danno
WA, 105 posts
10 Apr 2019 1:11PM
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cauncy said..

danno said..



cauncy said..
Got me thinking, how many injuries/ accidents have actually taken place to have this on the agenda





there's been more than enough near misses and kites dropped in the flagged area that I get why the clubbies are up in arms about this. If you were down here Cauncy you'd see just how many kooks cut through the flags every session. only takes one serious injury and it'll be all over....




Well if you've seen it, do a bit of disciplining, pull them up tell them there a bit of a cock in a nice way, that doesn't work tell them their a bit of a cock in a bad way


I have been pulling guys up and trying to explain it too them, and I've been speaking with the rangers about the best way to get the message out there. I'm just as concerned as Eppo about losing our right to do the DW run. Difficulty is, so many people don't understand the rules, or just don't give a ****, cause they're only hear for 1 season, or they've just started kiting and have no idea. Ideally we need signage at the Floz groyne end as well. But, I'm sure a few fines will hopefully go a long way to spreading the word pretty quickly.

Cameron1
WA, 2 posts
11 Apr 2019 9:47PM
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Just a thought, .....it strikes me that it can be difficult to judge what is a 100metres or 200m offshore (whatever distance is the rule). And people do tend to like to squeeze a wave to the nth, and often think "hey, the swimmers are nowhere near here...I'll go one more turn".
So, before ones' thinking goes to fines, infringements etc as the primary way of shaping/changing behaviour, I wonder if one cannot "design out" the confusion a little further with a clear exclusion line off the beach that downwinders see, to really set the stay out zone clearly.
Perhaps something like the lifesavers not only putting beach flags up, but also outer markers at the designated distance off the beach that the downwinders have to stay seaward of. A bit like two rounding marks. The markers could be selected carefully to minimise the risk of catching downed kites. In other words they create a clear area the downwinders have to sail/kite around.

obviously explanatory signage at both ends would be needed.

probably a crap idea, but sometimes lateral thinking about how to change habits or patterns works better than fines.

another crap idea might be a warning flag that the lifesavers put up if they see you as infringing or about to. They could have a different colour to communicate a clear infringement. ( At this stage you wouldn't know if they are thinking you're cutting it too fine. You'd only really know if you were met by an angry ranger at the bottom end).

i don't do the downwinder, but I'm pretty attached to that section of water.

danno
WA, 105 posts
17 Apr 2019 2:41PM
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Cameron1 said..
Just a thought, .....it strikes me that it can be difficult to judge what is a 100metres or 200m offshore (whatever distance is the rule). And people do tend to like to squeeze a wave to the nth, and often think "hey, the swimmers are nowhere near here...I'll go one more turn".
So, before ones' thinking goes to fines, infringements etc as the primary way of shaping/changing behaviour, I wonder if one cannot "design out" the confusion a little further with a clear exclusion line off the beach that downwinders see, to really set the stay out zone clearly.
Perhaps something like the lifesavers not only putting beach flags up, but also outer markers at the designated distance off the beach that the downwinders have to stay seaward of. A bit like two rounding marks. The markers could be selected carefully to minimise the risk of catching downed kites. In other words they create a clear area the downwinders have to sail/kite around.

obviously explanatory signage at both ends would be needed.

probably a crap idea, but sometimes lateral thinking about how to change habits or patterns works better than fines.

another crap idea might be a warning flag that the lifesavers put up if they see you as infringing or about to. They could have a different colour to communicate a clear infringement. ( At this stage you wouldn't know if they are thinking you're cutting it too fine. You'd only really know if you were met by an angry ranger at the bottom end).

i don't do the downwinder, but I'm pretty attached to that section of water.


It's not that hard to judge 200m, if you're not sure, go further out. If you need some help.... start in one place - walk about 200m steps - turn around and look where you came from. That's about 200m....
The clubbies are there with a mega-phone yelling a kooks all day long, rather than watching the swimmers who they're focus is supposed to be on. Why should the lifeguards have to be wasting time and energy educating kooks with flags and signals how to tack offshore and around the swimming area.
The flags are pretty darn obvious, large red and yellow things which flap wildly in the wind every day we're kiting. They're always in the same place. It's really not that hard.

OzinColo
1 posts
5 May 2019 9:55AM
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So how does one send this to kiteboarding WA so that they can take it up and maybe put some signs up, isn't that what the organisation is for?

danno
WA, 105 posts
9 May 2019 3:33PM
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It's not for Kiteboarding WA to put up signs, that's the jurisdiction of each local council (Cambridge and Stirling).
Kiteboarding WA can use what ever other communication mediums it has available to it, to communicate this message.

Weta
WA, 832 posts
10 May 2019 6:41PM
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OzinColo said..
So how does one send this to kiteboarding WA so that they can take it up and maybe put some signs up, isn't that what the organisation is for?




KWA contact email address: committee@waksa.org.au it's on the website kiteboardingwa.org.au

KWA AGM is on the 28th of May 2019 @ 6:30pm @ Fremantle Surf Lifesaving Club. If you care enough about kitesurfing @ your local to lend a hand or just want to see what it's about then please come along.



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