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Duotone Click Safety Line

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Created by Leighbreeze 8 months ago, 7 Feb 2020
NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 930 posts
14 Jun 2020 7:39AM
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LeighMajor said..
Well done .That should be better.
So you think Duotone would consider a warranty if they realised it is a manufacture issue?
Its not the users fault.
Where is their duty of care responsibilities?
Its a safety line?
Just to be safe I will be checking our Click bar safety lines regularly in that area and doing what Simon has done.


And the Click Bar is supposed to be under the ISO standard too!

www.global-kitesports.org/iso-product-norm-21853/

www.global-kitesports.org/files/ISO%20compliant%20products%20per%20brand.pdf

Makes a mockery of the entire ISO accreditation process.

MrFreeze
269 posts
14 Jun 2020 8:49AM
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hmmmmm, with all due respect to the owners of click bars, why would you want one? I guess if you ride in very comfortable condition they would be ok, however in frontal conditions eg: Friday morning in Perth pushing 35knts or fully powered situations, wouldn't you want to depower in a second as all cam cleat systems are able to do?

Also cam cleat depower bars are cheaper. No brainer imho.

Send me your stuff doutone and I'll critic it FOC. Looks like ya need a tech with a mechanical background to verify quality of product.

zlatko
15 posts
18 Jun 2020 2:23AM
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Around the internet there are quite a number of user reports of the safety line wear and tear around the point where it enters the plastic tube or on bottom of the QR. If somebody is interested you can read the posts at wetestkites-dot-com.
So take precaution and expect your safety line even if you Click bar is relatively new.

www.wetestkites-dot-com/2017/05/18/update-ii-on-north-click-bar-front-lines-damage/
www.wetestkites-dot-com/2017/05/18/update-ii-on-north-click-bar-front-lines-damage/
www.wetestkites-dot-com/2018/12/22/duotone-lines/

PS. I don't know why I can't post a link to these web pages - just replace the "-dot-" with actual "." :)

MrFreeze
269 posts
18 Jun 2020 7:47AM
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Hmmmmm, been a trait of the kite scene for years. Some of the product releases have been absolute garbage. Slingshot, Best names come to mind.

How could you miss this? Moving parts with wear points=prime concern. You have to inspect bars with a microscope during development, look for wear points and use quality materials EG: polish stainless steel to mitigate potential problems.

Here's another example of lax scrutiny. I'm not saying the bar is garbage however when a integral part of the bar, which is of prime importance to ones safety is faulty, action by the manufacturer has to be expedited.

It is probably being touted as a few isolated instances world wide. Well the kiters safety is the No 1 priority so every bar should be recalled and inspected for wear and appropriate measures taken to insure the safety line does what it's supposed to do and for a lot longer than some of the reported bars have.

My car got recalled for a potential faulty door lock after 7 years of no issues. . Better to cover your backside IMHO if your a manufacturer.

Isolated instances can lead to isolated injuries.

Leighbreeze
NSW, 435 posts
19 Jun 2020 8:29AM
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MrFreeze said..
Hmmmmm, been a trait of the kite scene for years. Some of the product releases have been absolute garbage. Slingshot, Best names come to mind.

How could you miss this? Moving parts with wear points=prime concern. You have to inspect bars with a microscope during development, look for wear points and use quality materials EG: polish stainless steel to mitigate potential problems.

Here's another example of lax scrutiny. I'm not saying the bar is garbage however when a integral part of the bar, which is of prime importance to ones safety is faulty, action by the manufacturer has to be expedited.

It is probably being touted as a few isolated instances world wide. Well the kiters safety is the No 1 priority so every bar should be recalled and inspected for wear and appropriate measures taken to insure the safety line does what it's supposed to do and for a lot longer than some of the reported bars have.

My car got recalled for a potential faulty door lock after 7 years of no issues. . Better to cover your backside IMHO if your a manufacturer.

Isolated instances can lead to isolated injuries.


Hi mate
When our crew that use the click bar as I mentioned earlier that his safety line snapped resulting in the kite rolling down the beach.
When we started checking out our safety and front lines there was undue early wear on the area mentioned earlier.
We were told by our supplier via the click at manufacturer that we were the only ones in the world that had this problem.Which seemed unfair.
Thanks to our supplier he managed to get
Two of my mates front lines and black depower line replaced under warranty.
Nothing mentioned by the manufacturer about the actual safety line issue with undue wear.

Imo if operating this click bar with a low vee check your safety line where it enters the black depower tube for your own safety.

This click bar as indicated by the manufacturer can be used with low or high vee?

At the end of the day it is the manufacturer's duty of care to investigate this safety line issue.

MrFreeze
269 posts
19 Jun 2020 8:17AM
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MrFreeze said..
Hmmmmm, been a trait of the kite scene for years. Some of the product releases have been absolute garbage. Slingshot, Best names come to mind.

How could you miss this? Moving parts with wear points=prime concern. You have to inspect bars with a microscope during development, look for wear points and use quality materials EG: polish stainless steel to mitigate potential problems.

Here's another example of lax scrutiny. I'm not saying the bar is garbage however when a integral part of the bar, which is of prime importance to ones safety is faulty, action by the manufacturer has to be expedited.

It is probably being touted as a few isolated instances world wide. Well the kiters safety is the No 1 priority so every bar should be recalled and inspected for wear and appropriate measures taken to insure the safety line does what it's supposed to do and for a lot longer than some of the reported bars have.

My car got recalled for a potential faulty door lock after 7 years of no issues. . Better to cover your backside IMHO if your a manufacturer.

Isolated instances can lead to isolated injuries.







Hi mate
When our crew that use the click bar as I mentioned earlier that his safety line snapped resulting in the kite rolling down the beach.
When we started checking out our safety and front lines there was undue early wear on the area mentioned earlier.
We were told by our supplier via the click at manufacturer that we were the only ones in the world that had this problem.Which seemed unfair.
Thanks to our supplier he managed to get
Two of my mates front lines and black depower line replaced under warranty.
Nothing mentioned by the manufacturer about the actual safety line issue with undue wear.

Imo if operating this click bar with a low vee check your safety line where it enters the black depower tube for your own safety.

This click bar as indicated by the manufacturer can be used with low or high vee?

At the end of the day it is the manufacturer's duty of care to investigate this safety line issue.






Hmmmmm, only ones in the world eh? It is truly unfortunate with a world population of 7.8 bill (some of whom are kite surfers) that you are the unlucky one who had the problem.

Rest of the reported instances are obviously fabricated to tarnish the Duotone brand.

All good, as you were Click bar owners. Nothing to see here.

wave6ft
QLD, 133 posts
20 Jun 2020 5:15AM
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Does any one know if you can buy floats for these bars

SimonM
WA, 89 posts
24 Jun 2020 6:23PM
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WA surf got me sorted with the replacement part see how long it lives now

wave6ft
QLD, 133 posts
26 Jun 2020 2:07PM
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I priced parts for my click bar seems a lot of parts have to be bought as a set not singular on the Duotone site as in floats centre lower lines also the lines that go into the float so works out over 300 to get going again pretty **** cause one line broke won't be buying another one that's for sure

MrFreeze
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26 Jun 2020 6:05PM
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wave6ft said..
I priced parts for my click bar seems a lot of parts have to be bought as a set not singular on the Duotone site as in floats centre lower lines also the lines that go into the float so works out over 300 to get going again pretty **** cause one line broke won't be buying another one that's for sure




Hmmmmm, over engineered to complicate the job some rope and a cam cleat can do in 1 second. Gimmic.

They'll die a slow death as they need to recoup development costs.

6 Jul 2020 3:13PM
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wave6ft said..
I priced parts for my click bar seems a lot of parts have to be bought as a set not singular on the Duotone site as in floats centre lower lines also the lines that go into the float so works out over 300 to get going again pretty **** cause one line broke won't be buying another one that's for sure




Check with your local retailer, some parts need to be bought in sets but most of the time we can split things up or order them separately. Nearly all the parts on the click bar can be bought individually from memory, though generally it's recommended to replace lines themselves in pairs.

If you're chasing floats, you can definitely get a pair of them on their own, I do remember it being a bit tricky though. You might also need to settle for the wrong colour if you have an older bar

wave6ft
QLD, 133 posts
6 Jul 2020 7:38PM
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Adventure Sports Noosa said..

wave6ft said..
I priced parts for my click bar seems a lot of parts have to be bought as a set not singular on the Duotone site as in floats centre lower lines also the lines that go into the float so works out over 300 to get going again pretty **** cause one line broke won't be buying another one that's for sure





Check with your local retailer, some parts need to be bought in sets but most of the time we can split things up or order them separately. Nearly all the parts on the click bar can be bought individually from memory, though generally it's recommended to replace lines themselves in pairs.

If you're chasing floats, you can definitely get a pair of them on their own, I do remember it being a bit tricky though. You might also need to settle for the wrong colour if you have an older bar


The only thing it's good for is tying to my towbar and dragging behind the car piece of garbage

Leighbreeze
NSW, 435 posts
12 Jul 2020 5:30PM
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That's a bit harsh.

wave6ft
QLD, 133 posts
12 Jul 2020 7:14PM
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LeighMajor said..
That's a bit harsh.



No it's definitely not mate I've had many bars over the years and two click bars and drama with both they are crap as many people know as do Duotone obviously and north back to basic bars for me till they upgrade the lines etc as I heard they are doing next model for a reason

Leighbreeze
NSW, 435 posts
12 Jul 2020 10:19PM
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Yep fair enough.

MrFreeze
269 posts
13 Jul 2020 1:29PM
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LeighMajor said..
That's a bit harsh.





No it's definitely not mate I've had many bars over the years and two click bars and drama with both they are crap as many people know as do Duotone obviously and north back to basic bars for me till they upgrade the lines etc as I heard they are doing next model for a reason



Hmmmmm, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Someone on seabreeze said if you went from a click bar to a cam cleat that would be a game changing advancement.

Agree with that punters statement.

hosh
WA, 190 posts
14 Jul 2020 12:22PM
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Core Sensor 3 bar. What do you guys think? I took a look at the vid they've put on their website. Looks like a smick bar.

Leighbreeze
NSW, 435 posts
15 Jul 2020 3:20PM
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hosh said..
Core Sensor 3 bar. What do you guys think? I took a look at the vid they've put on their website. Looks like a smick bar.


I reckon you're on a winner there.
I have a Core pro bar twist safety excellent grey lines.
Sensor 3 push away safety simple lightweight great lines.Good cleat depower.Simple easy strong.
Had all Core nexus and bars really great set ups.
Excellent quality.
Changed to 2020 Neos & Click bars.
Good so far only the wear on red safety if using low vee which I don't bother.

KPSS Used
NSW, 300 posts
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15 Jul 2020 5:25PM
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LeighMajor said..

hosh said..
Core Sensor 3 bar. What do you guys think? I took a look at the vid they've put on their website. Looks like a smick bar.



I reckon you're on a winner there.
I have a Core pro bar twist safety excellent grey lines.
Sensor 3 push away safety simple lightweight great lines.Good cleat depower.Simple easy strong.
Had all Core nexus and bars really great set ups.
Excellent quality.
Changed to 2020 Neos & Click bars.
Good so far only the wear on red safety if using low vee which I don't bother.


We have some Sensor 3 and Sensor 3 Pro Foil.

Super neat and really well thought out bar, the click in loop is even easier to re-load than the Ozone and new North ones which are easy enough anyway! swivel on the loop is awesome too.

hosh
WA, 190 posts
15 Jul 2020 3:54PM
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KPSS Used said..


LeighMajor said..



hosh said..
Core Sensor 3 bar. What do you guys think? I took a look at the vid they've put on their website. Looks like a smick bar.





I reckon you're on a winner there.
I have a Core pro bar twist safety excellent grey lines.
Sensor 3 push away safety simple lightweight great lines.Good cleat depower.Simple easy strong.
Had all Core nexus and bars really great set ups.
Excellent quality.
Changed to 2020 Neos & Click bars.
Good so far only the wear on red safety if using low vee which I don't bother.




We have some Sensor 3 and Sensor 3 Pro Foil.

Super neat and really well thought out bar, the click in loop is even easier to re-load than the Ozone and new North ones which are easy enough anyway! swivel on the loop is awesome too.



Thing I really like is they have a easy suicide now. Must have had many requests for that option.

hosh
WA, 190 posts
15 Jul 2020 3:58PM
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LeighMajor said..

hosh said..
Core Sensor 3 bar. What do you guys think? I took a look at the vid they've put on their website. Looks like a smick bar.



I reckon you're on a winner there.
I have a Core pro bar twist safety excellent grey lines.
Sensor 3 push away safety simple lightweight great lines.Good cleat depower.Simple easy strong.
Had all Core nexus and bars really great set ups.
Excellent quality.
Changed to 2020 Neos & Click bars.
Good so far only the wear on red safety if using low vee which I don't bother.


Won't be getting new xrs this year but I'm definitely getting the new bars.

omg
176 posts
16 Jul 2020 2:18PM
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I do like Core bars, but the big drawback for me is that they don't have the flag out going to one line only. When in 40 knots with no room for errors, I want a bar that flags out to one front line, and no chance of loops or some power from the kite remained. Otherwise the S3 looks really good (I have Clickbar with different new lines and no red line wear, and S2 Pro). S2 Pro much lighter with excellent original lines, but the flag out and no chance for changing the Y/V point are negatives for me.

ZZDavid
QLD, 1 posts
4 Sep 2020 7:16PM
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Mine broke today!

Exactly on the black plastic mentioned.

I have had a very similar issue with LF gear. Sharp plastic parts!
Dyneema hates them!

Rubbing means heat means let go and break.

The engineers should know this.

I do many kite loops over and over.

Both my LF bar and this bar have done the same thing in the same location.

snalberski
WA, 739 posts
6 Sep 2020 7:21PM
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When the click bars first came out I had a quick play with one anchored to a shop wall. The first thing that turned me off was the extreme tendancy to bind when fishpoling, due to the twin channel PU main/saftey line cover. Apart from emergencies I never use depower so the whole depower at your fingertips had no value for me and only served to complicate the system with unnecessary and potentially problematic over engineering..... for me less is more. Then there was the $900 price tag. Now the saftey line wear issues are revealed. PU covering of the main and safety line in my opinion is gimmicky and unnecessary, considering how easy and cheap it is to replace them. I suppose some customers incorrectly assume that new features must make a product better, and the manufacturers get caught in the tide opinion and just go with the flow rather than trying to change the world view. Thusly all (except Slingshot as far as I know) bars have PU covered mainlines and alot have PU covered saftey lines aswell.

SimonM
WA, 89 posts
Sunday , 25 Oct 2020 7:05AM
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Well my click bar has started to wear thru its second safety line i had a closer look and I've found the issue. Last time i thought it may be the sharp edge of the PU covering but this time i noticed some scoring on the metal inner tube through the chickenloop assembly. Looks like damage from a misaligned tool where i guess they press and fold.over the end of the metal tube to fix the bearings? Anyways, I've smoothed it out with some wet and dry paper and a drill

Prob exolains why my bar in particular eats safety lines - just a unique construction quality issue. If anyone has this issue evident on their line, have a squiz at the metal tube. See pics






ActionSportsWA
WA, 776 posts
Sunday , 25 Oct 2020 8:18PM
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Hi peeps,

we have seen quite a few click bars come in with broken safety lines where they go through the black plastic depower.

On almost every occasion, we have found the tubing packed full of sand and salt. Often the safety is hard to pull out it's so jammed with crud.

the safety line is a part that needs to be kept cleaned and checked before every ride as part of the pre flight safety check.

Lines don't just break in one session, they degrade over months of use, especially if never checked or rinsed properly. None of our staff, team riders, or demo kites have ever broken a safety line.

We service a huge amount of depower ropes, harness sliders and kite bridles. We often hear the story "I knew it was dodgy, but I thought it would last just one more session"

Please check and clean your gear regularly and you'll never have a problem.

DM

MrFreeze
269 posts
Monday , 26 Oct 2020 9:49PM
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ActionSportsWA said..
Hi peeps,

we have seen quite a few click bars come in with broken safety lines where they go through the black plastic depower.

On almost every occasion, we have found the tubing packed full of sand and salt. Often the safety is hard to pull out it's so jammed with crud.

the safety line is a part that needs to be kept cleaned and checked before every ride as part of the pre flight safety check.

Lines don't just break in one session, they degrade over months of use, especially if never checked or rinsed properly. None of our staff, team riders, or demo kites have ever broken a safety line.

We service a huge amount of depower ropes, harness sliders and kite bridles. We often hear the story "I knew it was dodgy, but I thought it would last just one more session"

Please check and clean your gear regularly and you'll never have a problem.

DM


Hmmmmm, never the gear always the user. You guys need to clean your gear properly. Not one bar world wide would have had this issue if you completed a though clean and pre start checks. Wouldn't take off in a A380 without ticking all the boxes would you?

Same dog, planes crash but always due to pilot error. Never the gear.

ActionSportsWA
WA, 776 posts
Tuesday , 27 Oct 2020 12:07PM
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Actually Mr Freeze,

Aircraft don't usually crash due to Pilot Error (sometimes, but rare), it is usually a series of mistakes or shortcuts made in maintenance and/or inspections.

So yes, my opinion is if you wash your gear properly and inspect your gear regularly BEFORE you launch, you will not have a problem

My previous trade is Aircraft Engineering.

DM

MrFreeze
269 posts
Yesterday , 27 Oct 2020 2:17PM
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ActionSportsWA said..
Actually Mr Freeze,

Aircraft don't usually crash due to Pilot Error (sometimes, but rare), it is usually a series of mistakes or shortcuts made in maintenance and/or inspections.

So yes, my opinion is if you wash your gear properly and inspect your gear regularly BEFORE you launch, you will not have a problem

My previous trade is Aircraft Engineering.

DM


Hmmmmm, Thanks for your curriculum vitae. Riveting information.



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