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Duotone Capa - any info?

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Created by NorthernKitesAUS > 9 months ago, 8 Nov 2019
NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 931 posts
27 May 2020 3:37PM
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Aren't your hard-ons over those expensive kites ever going to come down? No I guess not. Good for you yups. For the average joe b like me, yeah... you keep em... we'll try alternatives, which are very good if not better than your over-priced hypes. Infact, guys are SELLING their FS Souls for PANSH kites. Oh no - shock horror! How dare they!

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 931 posts
27 May 2020 3:54PM
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PANSH kites are fun. Cheap fun. After all, it's about having fun right?

Hey it's cooool... go and spend $2500+ on "fun". Yeah... I have other hobbies to entertain me.

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 931 posts
27 May 2020 3:57PM
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Yeah I am on a roll...

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 931 posts
27 May 2020 3:57PM
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OZONE 0 PANSH 1

airsail
QLD, 471 posts
27 May 2020 3:58PM
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NorthernKitesAUS said..
Aren't your hard-ons over those expensive kites ever going to come down? No I guess not. Good for you yups. For the average joe b like me, yeah... you keep em... we'll try alternatives, which are very good if not better than your over-priced hypes. Infact, guys are SELLING their FS Souls for PANSH kites. Oh no - shock horror! How dare they!




Ok, I'll bite, I want to see a water relaunch vid of the A15 with the mod. Let the kite sit in the water for a full 5 minutes then relaunch. Make it at least a 12 or 15mtr in say 10 knots. I already know the result as I owned one.
Not mine but here will be the result.


NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 931 posts
27 May 2020 3:59PM
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Such a **** kite man! Wow... I wish people would just spend $2500+ on THOSE other kites!



BRING IT ON STEVE!

Neko
1 posts
27 May 2020 3:24PM
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airsail said..

NorthernKitesAUS said..
Aren't your hard-ons over those expensive kites ever going to come down? No I guess not. Good for you yups. For the average joe b like me, yeah... you keep em... we'll try alternatives, which are very good if not better than your over-priced hypes. Infact, guys are SELLING their FS Souls for PANSH kites. Oh no - shock horror! How dare they!





Ok, I'll bite, I want to see a water relaunch vid of the A15 with the mod. Let the kite sit in the water for a full 5 minutes then relaunch. Make it at least a 12 or 15mtr in say 10 knots. I already know the result as I owned one.
Not mine but here will be the result.



It is from the PANSH FB group. The owner already reported (with pictures) that the kite survived it with 0 damages and wrote the following:
"With B mixer exstended you run the risk of no relaunch the front edge doesn't want to lift and as you pull you flood the kite "

KBGhost
QLD, 115 posts
28 May 2020 6:58AM
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NorthernKitesAUS said..
Yeah... I have other hobbies to entertain me.


Clearly

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 931 posts
28 May 2020 10:22AM
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Neko said..

airsail said..


NorthernKitesAUS said..
Aren't your hard-ons over those expensive kites ever going to come down? No I guess not. Good for you yups. For the average joe b like me, yeah... you keep em... we'll try alternatives, which are very good if not better than your over-priced hypes. Infact, guys are SELLING their FS Souls for PANSH kites. Oh no - shock horror! How dare they!






Ok, I'll bite, I want to see a water relaunch vid of the A15 with the mod. Let the kite sit in the water for a full 5 minutes then relaunch. Make it at least a 12 or 15mtr in say 10 knots. I already know the result as I owned one.
Not mine but here will be the result.



It is from the PANSH FB group. The owner already reported (with pictures) that the kite survived it with 0 damages and wrote the following:
"With B mixer exstended you run the risk of no relaunch the front edge doesn't want to lift and as you pull you flood the kite "


And he adjusted that back, and it flies beautifully now. #RealSailorsAdjust #NotAPlugNPlayKiter

weebitbreezy
482 posts
28 May 2020 5:13PM
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Presumably thats the same facebook group that people are reporting the internal chambers blowing out after using in medium strength winds?

There is a big quality difference between Pansh and the premium companies like Ozone and Flysurfer. Whether you need the high quality is a separate issue but the difference is there.

Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 840 posts
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30 May 2020 6:11PM
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Haha, you don't know racing eh? The Black R1 was way further upwind, the blue rag was not winning it was just unable to go upwind well and ended up way downwind and even further behind the R1 rider who tacked and was heading up to the top mark as the camera zommed back out.

Panshrocks
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31 May 2020 9:35AM
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There is no evidence they are racing. The Pansh is keeping up with the Ozone. A reseller and "site sponsor" is in direct competition with a direct brand like Pansh. This means you have an extreme bias to be negative towards Pansh. Which you are being. It also means that this website has a financial bias to support your bias.

Flysurfer and any other foil kites can suffer internal tears. The smaller sizes when used in high winds will break when crashed. I suggest your try get a honest answer from Flysurfer why they don't make small foils any more or haven't for a long time...

Flysurfer has also had some significant quality problems in the past.

Foil kites can be harder to relaunch when they take on water. They are not impossible but require more skill. Certain kites drain water better than others. Flysurfer is the best. Ozone has been bad. Pansh is similar to Flysurfer but does not have permanent openings in the tips. These can be made easily.

The "jackomixer" mod, which significantly improves Pansh kites for many, does affect relaunch negatively. It has less affect on the A15 than the Genesis. This is because of the bridle positions on the kite. Relaunch does work though for both kites with it, though much better on the A15.

Pansh is the best value kite gear you will find. Their quality is not nearly as bad as is often made out by resellers and other shills often found bad mouthing them. The Pansh price is exceptional, but much of that comes from the method of selling and not many other factors. When buying a kite at retail about 50% goes to the reseller and 25% goes to the brand. There is also various government fees and sometimes excess shipping, as in the kite can zigzag over the world to you. With Pansh you are really only paying the factory so the 25% left after the reseller and brand takes their bit. The kite is also shipped directly to you avoiding waste.

Where Pansh is lacking is in their designs and a little bit of quality. Their designs have a lot of room for improvement, but they have been improving year after year. Their latest racing kite the Aeolus looks very good as can be seen in the videos above. The kites like Genesis and A15 while good could be greatly improved without much work and a significant cost reduction to make.

This is what you are missing from the more expensive brands. They have much more talented designers, who can spend much more time designing kites, because you are paying for it. Kite design like all design is not an entirely original affair. Things are tended to be copied between different brands. Foil kites have experienced less of this but tubes have it a lot. Which is sad because even a brand like Ozone has and still suffers because it won't take ideas from Flysurfer which worked out many things more than a decade ago. Need to change a bridle at the kite on an Ozone? or adjust it's length? Enjoy dissembling everything... Not so on a Flysurfer.

Ideas are slowly getting through to Pansh, but in some ways they go backwards. It would be good if any of the main brands dropped resellers so they could increase their value by lowering prices. I think with the current plandemic and excess money printing we are all going to be in for some price shock with new gear. Already Pansh is raising prices. I hear inflation in China is currently big.


NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 931 posts
1 Jun 2020 1:27PM
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Panshrocks said..
There is no evidence they are racing. The Pansh is keeping up with the Ozone. A reseller and "site sponsor" is in direct competition with a direct brand like Pansh. This means you have an extreme bias to be negative towards Pansh. Which you are being. It also means that this website has a financial bias to support your bias.


Spot on

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 931 posts
1 Jun 2020 1:30PM
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weebitbreezy said..
Presumably ....


Presumably you're also the troll there that defends the other brands because ... gee they cost more, therefore they must be better ... mantra? I dare you to take a 12m Soul or 12m Ozone in winds beyond it's wind range and see how wonderful they hold.

Kamikuza
QLD, 5749 posts
1 Jun 2020 5:23PM
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"last post by northernkitesaus"

Here was I thinking he'd actually bought something.

weebitbreezy
482 posts
1 Jun 2020 5:43PM
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I have. Took out my Pansh Genesis 10m for the first time yesterday. Bit gusty and I'm too inexperienced with foil kites to really put a review together with an hours exposure as its quite different to LEIs

I think a lot of the negativity comes from comments trying to generate too much optimism about the products. Too many kites try to be allrounders. The pansh kite models can be good if applied to the correct type of activity but I don't think they stack up as well compared to the allround models from other brands. Nothing wrong with narrow use kites - look at how popular the Flysurfer Peak 4 is. I'm not sure that works all that well on a surfboard even but its immensely popular for surf hydrofoiling.

Since kites became mega bucks, the idea of a kite that you might outgrow seems to have become an anathema. I like the idea of a brand producing functional products at a price that I don't mind if I outgrow it and want to move onto something more premium.

Lando
WA, 11 posts
3 Jun 2020 9:00PM
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NorthernKitesAUS said..
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Did we watch the same video? the black R1v3 absolutely crushed the blue one here. When it comes to high end performance you do actually pay for what you get, its no coincidence that the race scene is dominated by the most expensive kites on the market: Diablo, R1 and sonic Race. People will use whatever they think will give them a edge. As far as non race foil kites go the Soul and halo (and from what i have heard the capa too!) really does hold your hand and recovers easily from all the "fun" ways you can end up crashing and twisting up a foil kite as a beginner, again you get what you pay for in that regard.

I like the idea of a cheap entry level option but I have heard bad stories of these Pansh kites coming out of the bag with issues and not flying correctly. Which is fine for some people that can tinker and get it to work but it may give others a bad first foil kite experience and put them off the sport. Maybe if they or another brand can make an option in the middle in terms of price and quality between Pansh and the leading brands, that might be a sweet spot to help improve participation.

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also the video provides no context to the rider skill, foils used or like someone mentioned if they were even racing them in anger. so can't really draw conclusions either way, but i invite you to come race your Pansh at the nationals could be a game changer!

Saffer
VIC, 4493 posts
4 Jun 2020 11:24PM
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I'm just confused why he is constantly spamming a capa thread with Pansh videos. One I could understand but after all of them it start getting annoying.



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