Select to expand quoteSaffer said..wave6ft said..Buzz Kites (Lee) said..Bulli1Bravo said..
The Buzz Kite Website is a joke. Inferring North Click bar is unreliable and naming brands on anecdotal evidence not only makes Buzz look inexperienced but also touches on defaming those brands IP.
Here's what's on the web site:
"In a 2001 Time magazine interview, Pete Cabrinha said: "When you're upside down looking up at the kite, time just stands still." He was absolutely right about that. As you know, a decent two-hour session of kite surfing is a brain reset almost equivalent to a 7-day meditation retreat! However, Pete was also dead wrong. While we were looking up at our kites, time didn't stand still. Kite surfing grew up. Today, big corporations are behind many names we know and love.
Cabrinha grew from a nice little company run by passionate watermen to became a subsidiary of the Pryde Group - a Hong Kong based Sports Group. Then, the Shriro group (another Chinese company) took over. This company has over 3500 employees and operations in more than 40 countries. We're guessing that the directors (see pic) have never kite surfed and never will. The future of this amazing sport is not mentioned on their web site but you can read their stated financial goal: "to provide best returns to our investments and to maximize the long-term shareholder value".
I'm not knocking Cabrinha because they usually have great gear. However, to achieve "the best returns", a Cabrinha beginner package is $3,800. A kite is over $2,000. For most people, that's a whole lot of money. We'd rather see prices several hundred dollars less and I'm guessing you would too.
Cabrinha are not alone. On the 28th of November 2013 EMERAM Capital Partners GmbH, Munich, announced the acquisition of Boards & More Group "With its four high-performance brands North Kiteboarding, Northsails, ION and Fanatic, Boards & More." Subsequently, the North click bar took things up a notch and now it's pretty much $1,000 - just for a bar. To make a very good bar, all that's required are a few bits of rope, a cleat and a metal bar with a bit of rubber covering it. Is that really worth $1000? Only when you add a lot of marketing BS to justify it! We'd rather see prices about half that much, fewer gadgets and more reliability.
The bottom line is that kiting is no longer a sport controlled and driven by those who are passionate about it. Instead, it is largely controlled by profiteers with no passion for the sport. This wonderfully accessible sport is now becoming considered as a sport for the rich. For those of us that used to be into windsurfing, we've seen where corporate control can take a sport. Into places where a trailer load of highly specialist and very expensive gear is required to participate. This kills the growth of a sport. In 2008 there were 1.31M windsurfers in the USA. In 2013, there were 1.32 M. No real growth in 5 years because the complexity and high costs stunted the sport's growth. Newbies become overwhelmed. People can't afford to stay up to date so they drop out. A few probably took up kiting! Anyway, at Buzz kites, we think that it's time for us to wrestle back control of our sport...before it's too late. So here is our mission:
Our mission is to build a dedicated community of kiters who work together to provide a range of quality, high-performance, affordable gear and wonderful kiting adventures. We will also find ways to help more people out on the water safely enjoying the pleasures of this wonderful sport."
1. This is not anecdotal evidence. Do the research on the brands mentioned and you will see the facts. Defaming is telling lies about a brand (as goes on here) and all we are doing is repeating facts.
2. The complexity of small manufactured components combined with salt and sand will most probably reduce reliability over the long term compared to a simple cleat. I think that is obvious to most clear thinking people.
Our overall interest is stated in our mission. If you are happy to entrust the future of our wonderful sport to huge corporations then keep battling on their behalf by all means. We will keep doing what we believe in too.
The switch kites look good value for money and look to be up todate with specs technology etc compared to buzz
As mentioned, I could pick up a 2017 Dice for the same or cheaper price than a Buzz. The bars are more expensive, but lets be honest here, the buzz bars aren't close to the quality of the cabrinha or north bars that are more expensive.
As for the click bars, it's an option. Don't want it, don't take it. Some people will spend that on a bar, some won't but I bought 2017 gear, paid a lot less than normal retail and probably spent less than a buzz kite and bar and received a north dice and click bar. At the end of the day, the north will have much better resale value so it's still better value for money.
I've done 3 north bars in , in 2 years
kites fine but crap bars inc lines
Select to expand quotecauncy said..
I've done 3 north bars in , in 2 years
kites fine but crap bars inc lines
do you get warranty on that?
Does not matter what the shop or manufacturer tells you about warranty. In this country the ACCC rules.
know your rights.
www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees
Select to expand quotewestozwind said..
Does not matter what the shop or manufacturer tells you about warranty. In this country the ACCC rules.
know your rights.
www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees
I'm looking for that bit about line stretch and broken kites but can't find it.
Every arguing consumer thinks they are right because they've read one paragraph of consumer Law. It doesn't mean they are right. Just annoying.
Select to expand quotewestozwind said..
Does not matter what the shop or manufacturer tells you about warranty. In this country the ACCC rules.
know your rights.
www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees
Don't forget our rights for a refund! 
'No refund' signs and expired warranties
It is against the law for businesses to tell you or show signs stating that they do not give refunds under any circumstances, including for gifts and during sales.Your rights under the consumer guarantees do not have a specific expiry date and can apply even after any warranties you've got from a business have expired.
Select to expand quotecauncy said..Saffer said..wave6ft said..Buzz Kites (Lee) said..Bulli1Bravo said..
The Buzz Kite Website is a joke. Inferring North Click bar is unreliable and naming brands on anecdotal evidence not only makes Buzz look inexperienced but also touches on defaming those brands IP.
Here's what's on the web site:
"In a 2001 Time magazine interview, Pete Cabrinha said: "When you're upside down looking up at the kite, time just stands still." He was absolutely right about that. As you know, a decent two-hour session of kite surfing is a brain reset almost equivalent to a 7-day meditation retreat! However, Pete was also dead wrong. While we were looking up at our kites, time didn't stand still. Kite surfing grew up. Today, big corporations are behind many names we know and love.
Cabrinha grew from a nice little company run by passionate watermen to became a subsidiary of the Pryde Group - a Hong Kong based Sports Group. Then, the Shriro group (another Chinese company) took over. This company has over 3500 employees and operations in more than 40 countries. We're guessing that the directors (see pic) have never kite surfed and never will. The future of this amazing sport is not mentioned on their web site but you can read their stated financial goal: "to provide best returns to our investments and to maximize the long-term shareholder value".
I'm not knocking Cabrinha because they usually have great gear. However, to achieve "the best returns", a Cabrinha beginner package is $3,800. A kite is over $2,000. For most people, that's a whole lot of money. We'd rather see prices several hundred dollars less and I'm guessing you would too.
Cabrinha are not alone. On the 28th of November 2013 EMERAM Capital Partners GmbH, Munich, announced the acquisition of Boards & More Group "With its four high-performance brands North Kiteboarding, Northsails, ION and Fanatic, Boards & More." Subsequently, the North click bar took things up a notch and now it's pretty much $1,000 - just for a bar. To make a very good bar, all that's required are a few bits of rope, a cleat and a metal bar with a bit of rubber covering it. Is that really worth $1000? Only when you add a lot of marketing BS to justify it! We'd rather see prices about half that much, fewer gadgets and more reliability.
The bottom line is that kiting is no longer a sport controlled and driven by those who are passionate about it. Instead, it is largely controlled by profiteers with no passion for the sport. This wonderfully accessible sport is now becoming considered as a sport for the rich. For those of us that used to be into windsurfing, we've seen where corporate control can take a sport. Into places where a trailer load of highly specialist and very expensive gear is required to participate. This kills the growth of a sport. In 2008 there were 1.31M windsurfers in the USA. In 2013, there were 1.32 M. No real growth in 5 years because the complexity and high costs stunted the sport's growth. Newbies become overwhelmed. People can't afford to stay up to date so they drop out. A few probably took up kiting! Anyway, at Buzz kites, we think that it's time for us to wrestle back control of our sport...before it's too late. So here is our mission:
Our mission is to build a dedicated community of kiters who work together to provide a range of quality, high-performance, affordable gear and wonderful kiting adventures. We will also find ways to help more people out on the water safely enjoying the pleasures of this wonderful sport."
1. This is not anecdotal evidence. Do the research on the brands mentioned and you will see the facts. Defaming is telling lies about a brand (as goes on here) and all we are doing is repeating facts.
2. The complexity of small manufactured components combined with salt and sand will most probably reduce reliability over the long term compared to a simple cleat. I think that is obvious to most clear thinking people.
Our overall interest is stated in our mission. If you are happy to entrust the future of our wonderful sport to huge corporations then keep battling on their behalf by all means. We will keep doing what we believe in too.
The switch kites look good value for money and look to be up todate with specs technology etc compared to buzz
As mentioned, I could pick up a 2017 Dice for the same or cheaper price than a Buzz. The bars are more expensive, but lets be honest here, the buzz bars aren't close to the quality of the cabrinha or north bars that are more expensive.
As for the click bars, it's an option. Don't want it, don't take it. Some people will spend that on a bar, some won't but I bought 2017 gear, paid a lot less than normal retail and probably spent less than a buzz kite and bar and received a north dice and click bar. At the end of the day, the north will have much better resale value so it's still better value for money.
I've done 3 north bars in , in 2 years
kites fine but crap bars inc lines
I've done one bar in 5 years. Your point?
That's awesome. How hard is it to change lines every so often? You'll save a fortune.
Plusall the rubbish everyone talks about bars, they don't improve your kiting, don't make the wind cross off, don't make you jump higher and the won't defend Buzz a forum. A bar is a bar. But if you've spent 1g on one you'll prob argue this point.
Remember when you used to get a bar and lines with your kite...?
Now a bar is an extra 400
Or a bar and lines is 700
Select to expand quoteSaffer said..cauncy said..Saffer said..wave6ft said..Buzz Kites (Lee) said..Bulli1Bravo said..
The Buzz Kite Website is a joke. Inferring North Click bar is unreliable and naming brands on anecdotal evidence not only makes Buzz look inexperienced but also touches on defaming those brands IP.
Here's what's on the web site:
"In a 2001 Time magazine interview, Pete Cabrinha said: "When you're upside down looking up at the kite, time just stands still." He was absolutely right about that. As you know, a decent two-hour session of kite surfing is a brain reset almost equivalent to a 7-day meditation retreat! However, Pete was also dead wrong. While we were looking up at our kites, time didn't stand still. Kite surfing grew up. Today, big corporations are behind many names we know and love.
Cabrinha grew from a nice little company run by passionate watermen to became a subsidiary of the Pryde Group - a Hong Kong based Sports Group. Then, the Shriro group (another Chinese company) took over. This company has over 3500 employees and operations in more than 40 countries. We're guessing that the directors (see pic) have never kite surfed and never will. The future of this amazing sport is not mentioned on their web site but you can read their stated financial goal: "to provide best returns to our investments and to maximize the long-term shareholder value".
I'm not knocking Cabrinha because they usually have great gear. However, to achieve "the best returns", a Cabrinha beginner package is $3,800. A kite is over $2,000. For most people, that's a whole lot of money. We'd rather see prices several hundred dollars less and I'm guessing you would too.
Cabrinha are not alone. On the 28th of November 2013 EMERAM Capital Partners GmbH, Munich, announced the acquisition of Boards & More Group "With its four high-performance brands North Kiteboarding, Northsails, ION and Fanatic, Boards & More." Subsequently, the North click bar took things up a notch and now it's pretty much $1,000 - just for a bar. To make a very good bar, all that's required are a few bits of rope, a cleat and a metal bar with a bit of rubber covering it. Is that really worth $1000? Only when you add a lot of marketing BS to justify it! We'd rather see prices about half that much, fewer gadgets and more reliability.
The bottom line is that kiting is no longer a sport controlled and driven by those who are passionate about it. Instead, it is largely controlled by profiteers with no passion for the sport. This wonderfully accessible sport is now becoming considered as a sport for the rich. For those of us that used to be into windsurfing, we've seen where corporate control can take a sport. Into places where a trailer load of highly specialist and very expensive gear is required to participate. This kills the growth of a sport. In 2008 there were 1.31M windsurfers in the USA. In 2013, there were 1.32 M. No real growth in 5 years because the complexity and high costs stunted the sport's growth. Newbies become overwhelmed. People can't afford to stay up to date so they drop out. A few probably took up kiting! Anyway, at Buzz kites, we think that it's time for us to wrestle back control of our sport...before it's too late. So here is our mission:
Our mission is to build a dedicated community of kiters who work together to provide a range of quality, high-performance, affordable gear and wonderful kiting adventures. We will also find ways to help more people out on the water safely enjoying the pleasures of this wonderful sport."
1. This is not anecdotal evidence. Do the research on the brands mentioned and you will see the facts. Defaming is telling lies about a brand (as goes on here) and all we are doing is repeating facts.
2. The complexity of small manufactured components combined with salt and sand will most probably reduce reliability over the long term compared to a simple cleat. I think that is obvious to most clear thinking people.
Our overall interest is stated in our mission. If you are happy to entrust the future of our wonderful sport to huge corporations then keep battling on their behalf by all means. We will keep doing what we believe in too.
The switch kites look good value for money and look to be up todate with specs technology etc compared to buzz
As mentioned, I could pick up a 2017 Dice for the same or cheaper price than a Buzz. The bars are more expensive, but lets be honest here, the buzz bars aren't close to the quality of the cabrinha or north bars that are more expensive.
As for the click bars, it's an option. Don't want it, don't take it. Some people will spend that on a bar, some won't but I bought 2017 gear, paid a lot less than normal retail and probably spent less than a buzz kite and bar and received a north dice and click bar. At the end of the day, the north will have much better resale value so it's still better value for money.
I've done 3 north bars in , in 2 years
kites fine but crap bars inc lines
I've done one bar in 5 years. Your point?
You said buzz bars arnt at the quality of north. Cabrinah, how would you know, they've only been around a season, lost the grip on all 3 norths
all centre line sleeves have been replaced along with power lines due to wearing on sleeves, and replaced 2 soft changeable bar ends due to clips snapping, that's in 1&1/2 seasons
Select to expand quotecauncy said..Saffer said..cauncy said..Saffer said..wave6ft said..Buzz Kites (Lee) said..Bulli1Bravo said..
The Buzz Kite Website is a joke. Inferring North Click bar is unreliable and naming brands on anecdotal evidence not only makes Buzz look inexperienced but also touches on defaming those brands IP.
Here's what's on the web site:
"In a 2001 Time magazine interview, Pete Cabrinha said: "When you're upside down looking up at the kite, time just stands still." He was absolutely right about that. As you know, a decent two-hour session of kite surfing is a brain reset almost equivalent to a 7-day meditation retreat! However, Pete was also dead wrong. While we were looking up at our kites, time didn't stand still. Kite surfing grew up. Today, big corporations are behind many names we know and love.
Cabrinha grew from a nice little company run by passionate watermen to became a subsidiary of the Pryde Group - a Hong Kong based Sports Group. Then, the Shriro group (another Chinese company) took over. This company has over 3500 employees and operations in more than 40 countries. We're guessing that the directors (see pic) have never kite surfed and never will. The future of this amazing sport is not mentioned on their web site but you can read their stated financial goal: "to provide best returns to our investments and to maximize the long-term shareholder value".
I'm not knocking Cabrinha because they usually have great gear. However, to achieve "the best returns", a Cabrinha beginner package is $3,800. A kite is over $2,000. For most people, that's a whole lot of money. We'd rather see prices several hundred dollars less and I'm guessing you would too.
Cabrinha are not alone. On the 28th of November 2013 EMERAM Capital Partners GmbH, Munich, announced the acquisition of Boards & More Group "With its four high-performance brands North Kiteboarding, Northsails, ION and Fanatic, Boards & More." Subsequently, the North click bar took things up a notch and now it's pretty much $1,000 - just for a bar. To make a very good bar, all that's required are a few bits of rope, a cleat and a metal bar with a bit of rubber covering it. Is that really worth $1000? Only when you add a lot of marketing BS to justify it! We'd rather see prices about half that much, fewer gadgets and more reliability.
The bottom line is that kiting is no longer a sport controlled and driven by those who are passionate about it. Instead, it is largely controlled by profiteers with no passion for the sport. This wonderfully accessible sport is now becoming considered as a sport for the rich. For those of us that used to be into windsurfing, we've seen where corporate control can take a sport. Into places where a trailer load of highly specialist and very expensive gear is required to participate. This kills the growth of a sport. In 2008 there were 1.31M windsurfers in the USA. In 2013, there were 1.32 M. No real growth in 5 years because the complexity and high costs stunted the sport's growth. Newbies become overwhelmed. People can't afford to stay up to date so they drop out. A few probably took up kiting! Anyway, at Buzz kites, we think that it's time for us to wrestle back control of our sport...before it's too late. So here is our mission:
Our mission is to build a dedicated community of kiters who work together to provide a range of quality, high-performance, affordable gear and wonderful kiting adventures. We will also find ways to help more people out on the water safely enjoying the pleasures of this wonderful sport."
1. This is not anecdotal evidence. Do the research on the brands mentioned and you will see the facts. Defaming is telling lies about a brand (as goes on here) and all we are doing is repeating facts.
2. The complexity of small manufactured components combined with salt and sand will most probably reduce reliability over the long term compared to a simple cleat. I think that is obvious to most clear thinking people.
Our overall interest is stated in our mission. If you are happy to entrust the future of our wonderful sport to huge corporations then keep battling on their behalf by all means. We will keep doing what we believe in too.
The switch kites look good value for money and look to be up todate with specs technology etc compared to buzz
As mentioned, I could pick up a 2017 Dice for the same or cheaper price than a Buzz. The bars are more expensive, but lets be honest here, the buzz bars aren't close to the quality of the cabrinha or north bars that are more expensive.
As for the click bars, it's an option. Don't want it, don't take it. Some people will spend that on a bar, some won't but I bought 2017 gear, paid a lot less than normal retail and probably spent less than a buzz kite and bar and received a north dice and click bar. At the end of the day, the north will have much better resale value so it's still better value for money.
I've done 3 north bars in , in 2 years
kites fine but crap bars inc lines
I've done one bar in 5 years. Your point?
You said buzz bars arnt at the quality of north. Cabrinah, how would you know, they've only been around a season, lost the grip on all 3 norths
all centre line sleeves have been replaced along with power lines due to wearing on sleeves, and replaced 2 soft changeable bar ends due to clips snapping, that's in 1&1/2 seasons
Your 1 1/2 seasons in dongara = 10 years NT , 6 yrs QLD, 4yrs VIC etc etc 
we don't even take the tags off our gear in nsw (hardly gets wet plus when the tag starts fluttering a bit it's time to go out quickly... before it drops off)
Witnessed a Buzz kite this afternoon break its leading edge at Brighton.
It was hitting 35kn and it looked like a larger size kite, maybe 10-12m. It was 15-20kn about half an hour earlier.
Looks like he was trying to self land using the front lines and failed a couple of times, kite took off vertically then came down folded in half.
Meanwhile there was a bloke was walking towards the kite who could have run and landed it for him. Not sure if they knew each other or whether he was a kiter or not.
All the while I was wondering why he just didn't pull the safety. No shame in doing this. Actually I wanted to see it in action.
Anyways looks like partly user fault, but I would not expect a kite to just collapse mid air like this. It went up pretty fast, maybe the lines went over the top of the kite. But whether that is enough to break a kite in half? dunno.
Not brand bagging, just my observations, while I was setting up a 7m for a fun sesh.
Select to expand quotePeahi said..
Witnessed a Buzz kite this afternoon break its leading edge at Brighton.
It was hitting 35kn and it looked like a larger size kite, maybe 10-12m. It was 15-20kn about half an hour earlier.
Looks like he was trying to self land using the front lines and failed a couple of times, kite took off vertically then came down folded in half.
Meanwhile there was a bloke was walking towards the kite who could have run and landed it for him. Not sure if they knew each other or whether he was a kiter or not.
All the while I was wondering why he just didn't pull the safety. No shame in doing this. Actually I wanted to see it in action.
Anyways looks like partly user fault, but I would not expect a kite to just collapse mid air like this. It went up pretty fast, maybe the lines went over the top of the kite. But whether that is enough to break a kite in half? dunno.
Not brand bagging, just my observations, while I was setting up a 7m for a fun sesh.
I guess if a 12 meter buzz was recommended to be used in 35 its, you wouldnt expect it to break.
Front line landing in 35kts is even more dangerous than riding gear designed for half as much breeze.
Select to expand quotebjw said..
Credit to the guy holding down a 12 in 35 knots.
looking forward to the woo scores
In all seriousness as that's what we do here very serious! Wondering why u didn't go and land him peahi you seem close to the action? The guy headed out in a 20knot sess and it comes in at 35 guessing he was keen to get the kite down.
Maybe that's how the safety system works on buzz kites. When you pull the safety the kite rips in half dumping all the power out of it.
That's why these kites are so expensive, costs a lot for this " auto rip land" technology.
Select to expand quoteRichoa said..
In all seriousness as that's what we do here very serious! Wondering why u didn't go and land him peahi you seem close to the action? The guy headed out in a 20knot sess and it comes in at 35 guessing he was keen to get the kite down.
I was on top of the cliff, and probably a good 300-400 metres away. There was a guy (aleit slowly) walking towards the kite, not sure if he was going to land it. By the time I would have got there it would have been all over. He could have just kept it low and waited for assistance or like I said just pulled the friggin safety (if there was one). It all went pear shaped cause he was trying to land it using the front lines and didn't land it properly.
So he did sort of land it but not completely safely, then starting walking up the front lines (dropping the bar), pretty stupid as you can cause lines to tangle around the bar. The kite powered up he got dragged through the sand for a bit and then the kite flopped mid air, so I guess he is lucky the kite did fail as he could have been dragged into the wall/cliffs.
Select to expand quotePeahi said..Richoa said..
In all seriousness as that's what we do here very serious! Wondering why u didn't go and land him peahi you seem close to the action? The guy headed out in a 20knot sess and it comes in at 35 guessing he was keen to get the kite down.
I was on top of the cliff, and probably a good 300-400 metres away. There was a guy (aleit slowly) walking towards the kite, not sure if he was going to land it. By the time I would have got there it would have been all over. He could have just kept it low and waited for assistance or like I said just pulled the friggin safety (if there was one). It all went pear shaped cause he was trying to land it using the front lines and didn't land it properly.
So he did sort of land it but not completely safely, then starting walking up the front lines (dropping the bar), pretty stupid as you can cause lines to tangle around the bar. The kite powered up he got dragged through the sand for a bit and then the kite flopped mid air, so I guess he is lucky the kite did fail as he could have been dragged into the wall/cliffs.
yeah wow sounds like he might of been thankful it did in the end
So do we know what happened ? Did the safety system fail or was it a kite fail issue ?
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
So do we know what happened ? Did the safety system fail or was it a kite fail issue ?
Rider fail issue, very common fault
Select to expand quotecauncy said..lotofwind said..
So do we know what happened ? Did the safety system fail or was it a kite fail issue ?
Rider fail issue, very common fault
That's right. When a plane goes down they always blame the pilot.
Select to expand quotekitebt said..Buzz Kites (Lee) said..
I saw this tool out at Picinic Point yesterday being an absolute nuisance to other riders, and boaters.......I doubt he jumped that high because I was watching him and he was getting no where near that.......most importantly if you want to show up at a kite spot where your not a local respect the locals, acting like a tool as he did could get us all banned from a great kiting spot. Would not expect anything less from someone assosciated with Buzz Kites.
Yeah I know this tool as well. Was annoying everyone at Kurnell on the weekend short tacking and stuff. Nothing to do with buzz btw.
Farhk you guys get off topic..
Gear reviews = try gear, comment
But go easy on hacking on crew for the gear they ride. Unless it's Cauncy or a Kiwi.
Select to expand quotebjw said..
Farhk you guys get off topic..
Gear reviews = try gear, comment
But go easy on hacking on crew for the gear they ride. Unless it's Cauncy or a Kiwi.
I thought "gear reviews" was secret code for "yet more advertising"...
Select to expand quotebjw said..
Farhk you guys get off topic..
Gear reviews = try gear, comment
But go easy on hacking on crew for the gear they ride. Unless it's Cauncy or a Kiwi.
Ha, I just read through the last 8 pages of garbage. And that was genuinely not a hack at buzz. I just think the guy is a pest.
Select to expand quotebjw said..
Farhk you guys get off topic..
Gear reviews = try gear, comment
But go easy on hacking on crew for the gear they ride. Unless it's Cauncy or a Kiwi.
Sigh... if only (apart from the kiwi bit!)
Select to expand quotePeahi said..
Witnessed a Buzz kite this afternoon break its leading edge at Brighton.
It was hitting 35kn and it looked like a larger size kite, maybe 10-12m. It was 15-20kn about half an hour earlier.
Looks like he was trying to self land using the front lines and failed a couple of times, kite took off vertically then came down folded in half.
Meanwhile there was a bloke was walking towards the kite who could have run and landed it for him. Not sure if they knew each other or whether he was a kiter or not.
All the while I was wondering why he just didn't pull the safety. No shame in doing this. Actually I wanted to see it in action.
Anyways looks like partly user fault, but I would not expect a kite to just collapse mid air like this. It went up pretty fast, maybe the lines went over the top of the kite. But whether that is enough to break a kite in half? dunno.
Not brand bagging, just my observations, while I was setting up a 7m for a fun sesh.
I've talked to all the Buzz kiters in Sydney since I saw this post and no one knows about it. I am left with the conclusion that this was not a Buzz kite being damaged as described. Safety is very important to our team and these kites are used (on the standard bridle) to teach with. The safety system is repeatedly used in demonstrations so it works perfectly fine.
Select to expand quoteRichoa said..bjw said..
So what's the problem with big companies owning kite brands?
It doesn't appear to make them more expensive, they aren't that much more expensive than 15 years ago, the quality does seem better.
So what's the problem?
The problem with big companies is they have to have levels of management to
manage quality control
Brand management
employ designers and technicians with qualifications or reputations on delivered inovation
planning and strategic production strategies
Employ Pro team riders to do how to videos
set up global distribution network and support to protect brand reputation
R&D to maintain or increase market share
invest money in sport to promote involvement
multiple models from niche specific kites to allrounders
etc
All this fat makes them so much dearer and all these top line people just sitting doing meetings
It makes them so much dearer and crappy product out comes.
for instance I bought a big brand kite for $1200 13m 2017 model new and in process of buying 10m 2018 same brand for $1350
so $2550 dollars with a extended 6 month warranty from manufacturer
Hang on a minute I could of got a Buzz circa 2012, 12 and 10.5 for $2468. Yes big companies are ****e!
Do Buzz use Australian sailmakers, don't think so?
Do BuZZ employ any Australians as a primary income, not sure but don't think so?
Do BuZZ employ anyone as a primary income, or plan to in the future beyond current batch of blue kites. Not sure but dont think so?
Do BuZZ have offering of multiple styles of kite or R & D projects, not sure don't think so?
Do Buzz put money back into Australian or global community to promote the sport, not sure but don't think so?
I like it that you claim to know so much about the future and current position of Buzz kites! Kinda seems like you know more than me and I run the company. :)As for buying big name kites for those prices... a quick check of any shops web-site (see random pics below) will tell anyone that you've apparently got yourself a very good deal - well done. Our standard prices of $1234 are almost half the advertised price of a comparable big brand kite. And then we have a bar and lines for $447 which is comparable for $670+ for a brand you might support. I know some people prefer to support companies big companies, but hey, there's a big difference between doing that, and trying to knock someone with your BS. You want me to employ more Australians? Then why would you try to knock me down when I've only just started? I started this business with the best interests of kiters and this country at heart. I'd love to make it into something that can employ a lot of Australians! With people like you around, ready to try to knock it down, that might take longer...will you be happy then? Nope, you will probably be lined up outside Centrelink complaining that there are no jobs in Australia and blaming everyone else.
