anyone used the rabbit series, mainly...9mtr and 6.5mtr...and whats the bar like, they are from hawaii so I presume they would be great in waves,any info would be appreciated
I'm after some information as well, can't seem to find much info on them, or where i can demo one in vic? Keen to get my hand on the surfboards as well they look sick. As arkgee said any info would be appreciated.
Real all round kite, not perfect everywhere but really good in waves, wake style, free style or free ride.
The bar is not the best i've seen, 9m is magic, 6,5 needs more time to be appreciated...
You can test it on Reunion Island
They look great, they have a bat tail look about them, can't find even a peak at the bar though...."demo in reunion island" sounds good!! can I stay at your house
Thanks for the info guys, hopefully I can find one to demo.
I had a one hour session on the Smoke (which is the size 9m2). I was out that day on my Banditdos 7m2. Both power and jumping height are similar. But then again the Dos is a real low-end kite where the Wainman performs in the middle to high-end range.
First impression was that this is really a fun kite! No need to adjust your riding style, it is quite intuitive to use. Within a few minutes I was jumping and making hooked in big air kiteloops. Boost is not that strong, but it all goes so easy with the Rabbit.
There were two properties which really make it stand out to the competition: very, very stable! It can float in waves on all four lines whitout dropping head-first out of the sky.
Secondly, the unhooked performance for a non C-kite is really amazing. The kite feels very nimble and easy to use. But the pop is massive, especially for loaded wakestyle moves!
There are a few options to trim the kite. Among other it can fly with or without a small V-bridle (very short, especially compared to the Bandit's. No wingtip tangles here). I used it on the bridle set-up. I was not really impressed by it's low-end and the CL does not stayed open that well (which is a odd concerning the unhooked performance)
I want to test it for a longer period. But for now it sure put a big smile on my face using it!
Talk to Alex from STONKER in Torquay
I think it would be a good wavekite (only tested it on flat-water unfortunately). A lot of riders over here use them in surf. It is fast turning, but I did miss grunt.
Thing is there is some debate about the different settings of the bridle. Some say the 9m2 without the bridle (so the lines are attached directly on the kite's pigtails, like a C-kite) has more grunt. Unfortunately I did not test that set-up.
Stability is much better than on the Dos, although I do not have any problems with the 7m2 Dos. Larger sizes do tend to be more unstable.
Riders of 75kg over here do ride a 12/9 combo more than the 9/6.5. A friend of mine (90kg) rides the 9 as a one-kite quiver, but also mentioned the low-end was not that good.
If you ride a surfboard 9/6.5 would be great of course.
If you want more detailed pictures of the kite, check this Dutch review (also North Rebel 2010 included): hanglos.nl/news/188305/kitesurfnews-hl-test---bandit-rebel-rabbit.html
You could use a translater online to get an idea of what is said.
Have not tried the 12m2 Rabbit, but I did look if it turned fast.
The bar you can see here one of the pictures below in the Dutch review. I personally did not like the CL. For a kite with good unhook properties this could be better, especially I does not stay open that well for hook in again.
The safety system consists out of a small 5th line, which most riders do not use. On the picture above it is also not attached.
I will do more testing on the wainman in the future, but not that soon unfortunately. I am thinking to make a review of it. I did like the kite a lot as I mentioned before. Although I do not care much about how I kite looks, this one really looking good! We call it a "blingbling" kite over here
Just had 2 sessions on the 9m in 15-20 knots. I rode both flatwater (twintip) and small shoulder high waves (unstrapped surfboard). I usually ride the 2008 9m north rebel and weigh in at around 85-90kg. I have no association with the brand or shop but would like to thank Alex at Stonker in Torquay for generously lending me his personal kite after I destroyed mine.
I must say that I was extremely impressed with the wainmans. I hadn't really looked at them before and was pleasantly surprised at what they had to offer.
the build quality of the kites is exceptional. They have taken great care in the design and finish and I reckon these kites would easily cope with any punishment I was to dish out.
They are extremely easy to fly and the choice of settings take it from a freestyle/wakestyle machine sitting deep in the window to a responsive surf kite that sits further forward and is happy to drift directly downwind. Changing from one setting to another is really simple and takes no time at all. I changed mid session whilst swapping from twin tip to surfboard without any hassles (like everyone else I hadn't even looked at any sort of manual). They fly nice and fast when set for the surf but can be slowed right down for the unhooked stuff.
Although I was unable to drop the kite, when I put it in the water relaunch was easy and fast. After failing to relaunch my kite fast enough in solid 6ft surf last week, resulting in some unwanted kite carnage, a massive drift through the impact zone, and heaps of sh1t from my so called mates, relaunch has become more important to me now!
I was flying the kite at the bottom end of its wind range but had no trouble staying up wind even on my twin tip in the lightest part of the session (15knots). I was not powered enough at this point for any type of tricks but still held my ground when others on larger kites (11-13) were struggling. I did not get to test its top end but from all reports it is good.
when the wind came in a bit I tested its looping potential. The kite loops were direct and had no problems getting the kite back above me for some nice soft landings. I would have liked some more wind to get the full yoinkage but the potential is there for some fun times!
The bar pressure is slightly more than my rebels but not uncomfortable at all. I don't think this is a bad thing as you get really good feedback on exactly where your kite is at all times. The power delivery is smooth and I found the kite to be super stable.
The bar was comfortable and uncluttered. I was initially concerned that if you ever pulled the safety that you would lose the kite as there was no below the bar attachment for your safety leash. THIS HOWEVER WAS NOT THE CASE. There is a small line that runs through the bar joining a single front line and your leash below the bar (it had not been fitted and was still in the bag). This ensures that you remain attached to your kite in the event that you need to throw your safety. The safety itself is a really simple push away system that is easy to use and almost impossible to accidently release.
I was really impressed with the whole wainman package. The kites look great, fly really well and make even marginal session fun. Everything is really well thought out, right down to the kite bag that easily fits your kite and gear (unlike some others i have tested), colour coded accesories, and heaps of spares that come with the kite.
I was not looking to update my gear as I have really loved my 2008 rebels. They are definately not holding me back and they've still got a lot of life left in them yet! However, after riding the waiman I have been in negotiations with my better half as "I really need new kites this season"! Not sure how successful I will be so I say if your in the market for a new kite that will get you out in the waves or tearing up the flats the wainman is worth a test ride and some serious consideration.
Thanks again Alex and Stonker for the use of your kite. After seeing me stick my board through my kite i wouldn't have lent it to me if i was you!
anyone know when the wainman C kites are due?
From what I saw Saturday down at Torquay (point danger) Saturday morning this kite has great low end and turns really fast. They unpacked a brand new 2010 9m. Looked really nice and well built. Bar was nice and simple and a small bridle (apparently can be ridden bridleless). I saw them take the tags off. The guy who rode it was about 85-90kg (looked fairly expereinced) and he was going upwind on a small TT fairly easily in what i thought was about 15 knots (most of the time). Gusts a little higher. I was riding a 14m SB3 at the same time (not overpowered) so that gives you the idea. Please note with harness and wettie i would be over 100kegs
fattso when did you demo these kites as you claimed youre riding weight from 5 years ago
ps who was the spastic out with gill that day floated real close into the surf zone
at chicken point .
lessons might help that plonker
The Wainman kites @ Coolum kite fest all demo stock.
Also rode the 2010 9m rabbit wainman kite that fatso has so lovingly reviewed above.
Once I removed all the sticky white salt deposits from the kite and inflated it I too loved the kite.
It felt really solid in the air without all the fluttering and carry on my north rebels have when turned quickly.
The conditions were very light and I weigh in at 90kg but had no trouble on my surf board in 15 knots.
I didn't test out all the settings as I was really happy with it straight our of the bag. I was really impressed with its solid build and easy flying. I don't think I looked at the kite all session but always knew where it was. ( yes sometimes upside down in the water.)
I have to recommend this kite to any one looking for an update. Thanks Alex at Stonker for the ride.