Coming from a pole dancer, that would explain why they will always be p!ss weak.
but i digress, maybe you should post this in the foil section. See what they think 
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why am i so certain
cause lots of dosh to be made from sale of parts
That went well.
sure, not saying bladderless can't be done
but why kill the goose, there's doh rae me to be made on parts
The kite co's don't make anything out of parts like bladders, they make money because the kites only last 3 or 4 years. Lines stretch and kites deform over time making them perform worse over time.
My guess is that a bladderless inflatable kite would have its own set of issues with leaking and repairing. But it'd be more like tubeless bikes, you'd put some glue in to fix the leak.
My business is relying on you being correct there AmI - can I call you AAMI?
Luckeeeee I'm with AmIRigggghhhttt 
ps: please bring back the red-thumbs, seriously.
Never replaced a bladder, can count the number of repairs on one hand. Perhaps I'm buying the wrong brand of gear...?
Select to expand quotebjw said..
The kite co's don't make anything out of parts like bladders
so tell me then
why do companies bother stocking sets of replacement bladders
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
Never replaced a bladder, can count the number of repairs on one hand.
lucky you
others not so lucky
Can concur with kami'. Rarely replaced nor fixed bladders except during that north 2010/2011 brain fade time. Since then ... hardly ever. Most bladders no matter how messed up can be repaired nowadays anyhow.
Material technology will surely make the current bladder requirement defunct eventually. So to say never... well never is a long time and history will prove that "never" never is correct. Except human madness, corruption and war. That will never stop until we no longer exist.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Can concur with kami'. Rarely replaced nor fixed bladders
well that confirms it then
nobody in the world will ever buy bladder parts again
Select to expand quoteamirite said..eppo said..
Can concur with kami'. Rarely replaced nor fixed bladders
well that confirms it then
nobody in the world will ever buy bladder parts again
Oh is everyone buying a decent brand now? Or cut down all the trees?
Select to expand quoteamirite said..bjw said..
The kite co's don't make anything out of parts like bladders
so tell me then
why do companies bother stocking sets of replacement bladders
How much have you spent on bladders compared to kites over the last 5 years?
Its more likely a special order from a shop to get a bladder. If it was such a money maker why wouldn't they hold stock?
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My guess is that a bladderless inflatable kite would have its own set of issues with leaking and repairing.
so you're saying a bladderless kite would have the same problems
as a kite with bladders
Yes and no. If they had an active liquid like bike tyres it would self fix slow leaks, but it would add weight as it got older and you had to add more liquid glue. You would also have to add more if you did any stitching repair.
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Yes and no. If they had an active liquid like bike tyres it would self fix slow leaks, but it would add weight as it got older and you had to add more liquid glue. You would also have to add more if you did any stitching repair.
so after all the trouble and expense to produce a bladderless kite
it will still get leaks
I also can concur with kami and eppo. Only ever replaced one bladder after crashing my kite into a wall (read house) when learning and I really flog my kites. Always trying stuff beyond my abilities.
Bladders for me and the crew I know have proven their worth and dependability considering what we put them through and the thin material they are made from.
If the leading edge is air tight/waterproof do you need a bladder inside it?
so how would you attach a canopy to it (a tubeless bike or car tire)?
glue?
Dip the needle in storm seal and stitch it?
Select to expand quoteamirite said..bjw said..
Yes and no. If they had an active liquid like bike tyres it would self fix slow leaks, but it would add weight as it got older and you had to add more liquid glue. You would also have to add more if you did any stitching repair.
so after all the trouble and expense to produce a bladderless kite
it will still get leaks
*This* is why well never have bladderless kites -- bladders are the simplest cheapest solution.
For the foreseeable future...
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..so after all the trouble and expense to produce a bladderless kite
it will still get leaks
*This* is why we'll never have bladderless kites
so i was half correct then
[winning]
This is all a big wind up right?
Are any of you free riders actually getting your kites wet?!? Bladders are just hindering your performance you should all be on rigid framed deltas. Not like you need your kites to float anyways
Select to expand quotecausehecan said..
This is all a big wind up right?
Are any of you free riders actually getting your kites wet?!? Bladders are just hindering your performance you should all be on rigid framed deltas. Not like you need your kites to float anyways
Is this more of the "if you're not crashing, you're not progressing" nonsense? Cos if you're getting better at flying your kite ... it shouldn't be constantly tomahawked into the water cos you've let the bar go like a newbie.
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Working on osmosis passes i gotto letgo
Oh yes -- "Wakestyle". Haven't heard that word in ten years ... do people still do that?
