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Core xr 5 slow

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Created by PusherII 2 months ago, 8 Oct 2018
PusherII
13 posts
8 Oct 2018 9:26PM
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So, despite the amazing reviews, i never really fallen in love with my core xr5. Boost machine and very stabile, amazing Wind range. But i feel it very very slow when drive It, have to go so aggressive on the bar, even with all regulation setted to move faster. I have a 10 and 13,5..
Am i the only one with this feeling?
Previous kite were bandits and i know i cant pretend the same, but i tried several other kites and noone has a so slow response time when i steer it

cauncy
WA, 6531 posts
9 Oct 2018 7:28AM
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You've Le and wingtip adjustments, use them, fly the kite on its shortest backline settings, that way when you initiate your turn there's no lag in response, optimum pressure in the Kite give a more responsive feel
A 13.5 is never going to be quick a 10 at best will be respectable, no kites in this genre are fast in comparison to others models

eppo
WA, 6703 posts
9 Oct 2018 2:18PM
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Always a trade off man with any kite.

If you considered the XR was a replacement for your bandit you have not done your homework buddy. Very different kites for very different purposes even within that all round spectrum.

PusherII
13 posts
9 Oct 2018 6:45PM
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eppo said..
Always a trade off man with any kite.

If you considered the XR was a replacement for your bandit you have not done your homework buddy. Very different kites for very different purposes even within that all round spectrum.


I appreciate a lot the fact that this kite has a superior quality of materials, and huuuge wind range let me kite more than with bandit.
And i did lot of research, it seems i am the first one in the world saing xr is pretty slow in response! i am ok with that, just wanted to know if somebody else agree with me. I tried other kites a part of bandit. i Found the rally 10 so much faster than 10 xr for example

crakas
QLD, 394 posts
9 Oct 2018 9:49PM
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I've only flown a 12m XR5. Very nice kite and does a lot of things extremely well however it doesn't turn fast and isn't very responsive when initiating a turn.

So you are not on your own..

eppo
WA, 6703 posts
10 Oct 2018 8:21AM
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PusherII said..


eppo said..
Always a trade off man with any kite.

If you considered the XR was a replacement for your bandit you have not done your homework buddy. Very different kites for very different purposes even within that all round spectrum.




I appreciate a lot the fact that this kite has a superior quality of materials, and huuuge wind range let me kite more than with bandit.
And i did lot of research, it seems i am the first one in the world saing xr is pretty slow in response! i am ok with that, just wanted to know if somebody else agree with me. I tried other kites a part of bandit. i Found the rally 10 so much faster than 10 xr for example




Yes the rally having a predominant and obvious delta shape would move faster.

The bandit is three struts as well, lighter and more nimble, also has more C shape in the profile, so again will move much faster.

The XR is an big jumping old school freeride kite. which can be looped if ones got enough balls.

You DO NOT want these kites to move fast if you are using it for the purpose it is designed for.

To make a comment like "it doesn't move fast compared to say a bandit", once again implies you have not done your homework, nor really understand the kites intentions.

....for example it's like riding a rebel and asking why it doesn't turn as fast as an evo? Or getting on an edge and saying, damn this thing turns soooo much slower than an Enduro.

it's not a question you should be asking... move on.

weebitbreezy
357 posts
10 Oct 2018 9:11PM
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I agree with you. The XR5 is relatively slow - though fairly typical for the style of kite. Have tried it quite a few times and it doesn't gel for me the same way my regular kites do. I have always thought that it suited heavier guys better (85kg+) but then I never rode the old C kites so I didn't start with kites with that heavy pull all the time.

Just do more airstyle! You'll be loving that slow turn in no time compared to your bandit.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1584 posts
11 Oct 2018 5:06AM
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Yes from 9m upwards they are Pig slow - even on their fastest setting.
Sometimes you wonder where the hell the kite is, like it's on a secret mission... other than that, it's good for its intended purpose.

Do yourself a favour and use a 60cm bar, 9m & over..

The 9m loops fast enough and will catch you every time if you have enough wind.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1584 posts
11 Oct 2018 1:27PM
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Don't forget you can also run the shorter lines - and youll get the turn speed back...
Plenty of options for fine tuning

holgs
WA, 255 posts
13 Oct 2018 2:10AM
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I have a 12m XR4 and yes, it's quite slow turning. But slightly faster than the Edge that I had previously. It's normal for that style of kite. Both are high aspect 5 strut kites designed for hang time and easy boosting with a racing pedigree.

The Bandit on the other hand is one of fastest turning free ride / all rounder kites there is. But you trade off some easy boosting and hang time, especially at the bottom end of the wind range. You can't have it all. If you like to move your kite around aggressively then the XR is not the right kite for you. What didn't you like about the Bandits?

PusherII
13 posts
16 Oct 2018 4:55AM
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holgs said..
I have a 12m XR4 and yes, it's quite slow turning. But slightly faster than the Edge that I had previously. It's normal for that style of kite. Both are high aspect 5 strut kites designed for hang time and easy boosting with a racing pedigree.

The Bandit on the other hand is one of fastest turning free ride / all rounder kites there is. But you trade off some easy boosting and hang time, especially at the bottom end of the wind range. You can't have it all. If you like to move your kite around aggressively then the XR is not the right kite for you. What didn't you like about the Bandits?



Thanks all for your feedback. Actually i May did not fully homework but hey, that are tipically not infos You Will find in reviews or videos etc. Furthermore still now every kite i tried was Pretty fast, so i d never thinked ti find the xr slow. But is ok, Will think.if sell or keep It.

To response to yourquestion, i totally loved bandit, my First kite and incredibly funny. But the trade off is a not very good love end, and my spot is not famous ti have loro offerta Wind. So xr5 help me a lot in this. Another thing about f One is the construction quality Pretty low in my opinion. Also about quality, core is another category, imho.

PusherII
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16 Oct 2018 4:57AM
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holgs said..
I have a 12m XR4 and yes, it's quite slow turning. But slightly faster than the Edge that I had previously. It's normal for that style of kite. Both are high aspect 5 strut kites designed for hang time and easy boosting with a racing pedigree.

The Bandit on the other hand is one of fastest turning free ride / all rounder kites there is. But you trade off some easy boosting and hang time, especially at the bottom end of the wind range. You can't have it all. If you like to move your kite around aggressively then the XR is not the right kite for you. What didn't you like about the Bandits?




Thanks all for your feedback. Actually i May did not fully homework but hey, that are tipically not infos You Will find in reviews or videos etc. Furthermore still now every kite i tried was Pretty fast, so i d never thinked ti find the xr slow. But is ok, Will think.if sell or keep It.

To response to yourquestion, i totally loved bandit, my First kite and incredibly funny. But the trade off is a not very good low end, and my spot is not famous ti have lot of Wind. So xr5 help me a lot in this. Another thing about f One is the construction quality Pretty low in my opinion. Also about quality, core is another category

PusherII
13 posts
16 Oct 2018 4:59AM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Yes from 9m upwards they are Pig slow - even on their fastest setting.
Sometimes you wonder where the hell the kite is, like it's on a secret mission... other than that, it's good for its intended purpose.

Do yourself a favour and use a 60cm bar, 9m & over..

The 9m loops fast enough and will catch you every time if you have enough wind.


Yes i thinked me too to try It with a different bar. Do you know if cabrinas or rrd are fully working with core?
Pretty sick btw, since core bar is awesome

weebitbreezy
357 posts
16 Oct 2018 7:31PM
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PusherII said..

SaveTheWhales said..
Yes from 9m upwards they are Pig slow - even on their fastest setting.
Sometimes you wonder where the hell the kite is, like it's on a secret mission... other than that, it's good for its intended purpose.

Do yourself a favour and use a 60cm bar, 9m & over..

The 9m loops fast enough and will catch you every time if you have enough wind.



Yes i thinked me too to try It with a different bar. Do you know if cabrinas or rrd are fully working with core?
Pretty sick btw, since core bar is awesome


No the cabrinha and RRD bars have a low V split so you'll change the handling. Yes it will work but you may get slightly wierd (rubbish) handling and it won't be the same as the kite was designed to be.

I'd expect the new F-one bar (lynx?) to work and I know the North 4 line bars (2015 on) work - if you don't fancy relearning you QR muscle memory.

Nathe
WA, 330 posts
17 Oct 2018 4:31AM
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Have to disagree with the low v. I changed the bar on my xr5 to a low split and it didn't make a difference at all. The throw on the core bars are huge and was real uncomfortable ride.
Give the others bars a shot you might find they work fine

pepeman
SA, 110 posts
20 Oct 2018 8:45AM
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Hey Pusherll, I have been riding a 9m XR3 for years now and I remember my first thoughts were wtf this is slower than the 10m I was riding.
However I got over this initial feeling of disappointment in quick time as once I got used to it and flew it for what it is I absolutely loved it and still loving it 3 years down the track.
I use this kite as an all rounder ie. with surfboard too.
Build quality is also excellent.

cauncy
WA, 6531 posts
20 Oct 2018 8:02PM
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Core xr5 Kiteworld mag test
the Kite is perfectly described
as a 9 mtr by chris Bull

PusherII
13 posts
25 Oct 2018 2:51AM
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Today i had a session with the 13,5, i enjoyed pretty much. Probably, reading your feedback helped me to understand better what i have to ask to the kite

Intheozone
WA, 236 posts
26 Oct 2018 7:50AM
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I also have a 13.5 XR5 and whilst it is a slower kite. It does exactly what it is designed to do. I have move the rear pigtails to the fastest turning setting.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1584 posts
26 Oct 2018 1:03PM
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Had a fun day at Pelican Point yesterday on my 9M XR - the 60cm bar makes it so much more responsive and not too shabby flatwater 14m jumps too.
The stability and boost height make it a great kite for anyone wanting to go bigger..

cauncy
WA, 6531 posts
26 Oct 2018 1:24PM
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PusherII said..
Today i had a session with the 13,5, i enjoyed pretty much. Probably, reading your feedback helped me to understand better what i have to ask to the kite


Don't ask scream at the f........g thing helped me with a 16.5 wipika I had

eppo
WA, 6703 posts
26 Oct 2018 8:58PM
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Had a fun day at Pelican Point yesterday on my 9M XR - the 60cm bar makes it so much more responsive and not too shabby flatwater 14m jumps too.
The stability and boost height make it a great kite for anyone wanting to go bigger..


9m big enough for simple board offs ?? Not sure on the 9 or 10.

Intheozone
WA, 236 posts
26 Oct 2018 9:32PM
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eppo said..

SaveTheWhales said..
Had a fun day at Pelican Point yesterday on my 9M XR - the 60cm bar makes it so much more responsive and not too shabby flatwater 14m jumps too.
The stability and boost height make it a great kite for anyone wanting to go bigger..



9m big enough for simple board offs ?? Not sure on the 9 or 10.


With the wind we get locally 10m

Intheozone
WA, 236 posts
26 Oct 2018 9:32PM
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eppo said..

SaveTheWhales said..
Had a fun day at Pelican Point yesterday on my 9M XR - the 60cm bar makes it so much more responsive and not too shabby flatwater 14m jumps too.
The stability and boost height make it a great kite for anyone wanting to go bigger..



9m big enough for simple board offs ?? Not sure on the 9 or 10.


With the wind we get locally 10m

Intheozone
WA, 236 posts
26 Oct 2018 9:32PM
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eppo said..

SaveTheWhales said..
Had a fun day at Pelican Point yesterday on my 9M XR - the 60cm bar makes it so much more responsive and not too shabby flatwater 14m jumps too.
The stability and boost height make it a great kite for anyone wanting to go bigger..



9m big enough for simple board offs ?? Not sure on the 9 or 10.


With the wind we get locally 10m

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1584 posts
26 Oct 2018 9:50PM
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eppo said..

SaveTheWhales said..
Had a fun day at Pelican Point yesterday on my 9M XR - the 60cm bar makes it so much more responsive and not too shabby flatwater 14m jumps too.
The stability and boost height make it a great kite for anyone wanting to go bigger..



9m big enough for simple board offs ?? Not sure on the 9 or 10.


Obviously bigger but 10m has a lot more hangtime float, not as much as the Edge but faster turning - the trade off :)
The 10m XR felt like it was a slightly different shape in the wingtips.

eppo
WA, 6703 posts
27 Oct 2018 7:56AM
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Yeh I get the impression that there is a noticeable difference between the 9 and the 10, meaning not just one metre difference ... If you get my drift. The 9 looks appreciably faster and the 10m I flew (in average conditions mind you) felt slower than my 10m 2017 rebel.

Will suck and see myself.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1584 posts
27 Oct 2018 9:01AM
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If you can, use a 60cm bar and move the Y line adjuster 30cm closer to the kite compared to standard - it will turn and fly better midrange to top end..

eppo
WA, 6703 posts
27 Oct 2018 12:10PM
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Cheers good advice, any probs with wingtips flaring out with the reduced Y. Like you I fly my kites at their supposedly max third a lot of time.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1584 posts
27 Oct 2018 7:31PM
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I did try the 10m on my standard 4 line bar in 35 ish knots and it still flew ok - but the leading edge with less support would flare a bit and could be felt through the bar. Will be ok to use your lower Y bar for a quick demo and tweak it later if need be.
i just use a line stopper and a ring - on the 'NON' flag out front line...

cauncy
WA, 6531 posts
27 Oct 2018 8:24PM
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Simply put by steve Bull


check out the full analysis on kiteworld



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