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Created by Chris_M 1 month ago, 10 Oct 2019
Chris_M
1842 posts
10 Oct 2019 5:31PM
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If you think they are looking a little tired, might be a good time to replace before summer kicks in. I found out the hard way during this morning's session.
Funny, cause just 2 weeks ago I was thinking "Hmmmm maybe I should get a new set"

Lucky I wasn't out with a pod of Orca this time, not that I think they'd eat me, but I still be s h i tting bricks

Enjoyed a good few hundred meters of swimming

Wife even let me go back for round 2 after lunch, what a champ

Kraut
VIC, 482 posts
13 Oct 2019 6:58PM
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Good heads up I'd say. I agree especially as for me and probably others lines (bridal lines on pulley kites especially when I still used them, as pulleys chew them away) tend to break when you are up in the air, or when massively powered in general, or worse when launching or landing as risk of injury is higher while on the beach. Both of which is not a situation in which you want a line to snap.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1691 posts
15 Oct 2019 4:35PM
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Yes always a good idea to keep an eye on the twist point if you do a lot of loops or rotations..

I swap the lines around from bar side to kite side to get a bit more use then bin them..

KPSS Used
NSW, 245 posts
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24 Oct 2019 4:34PM
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Yeah good advice. Also check main lines especially the uncovered ones, flag out lines, chicken loops and any part of your gear that wears, especially if you don't kite during winter.
We have seen some shockers in the shop lately, but thats ok at least they came in and had the good sense to get things fixed.

Chris_M
1842 posts
24 Oct 2019 3:37PM
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KPSS Used said..
Yeah good advice. Also check main lines especially the uncovered ones, flag out lines, chicken loops and any part of your gear that wears, especially if you don't kite during winter.
We have seen some shockers in the shop lately, but thats ok at least they came in and had the good sense to get things fixed.


Oh yeah, wax your centre rope too before it frays and you don't get round to replacing it because theres sea breezes every day

Plummet
4591 posts
24 Oct 2019 5:06PM
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I run 2 bars. A ****ty old one for close in, not too windy or risky stuff. Then a good bar and lines that has the latest gear. That only gets pulled out for the risky, high wind stuff

CapNRonK
VIC, 15 posts
25 Oct 2019 5:49AM
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Does anyone know a good supplier of custom replacement lines? I know there's been threads about this in the past - it would be great to order a set of preferably ozone-type front and back lines of custom length, mix and match bars/chicken loops/saftey/split hardware, etc., I have sitting around, but have always found it vastly more expensive than have a rummage at my local kite shop or buying an older new or barely used full set of bar/lines...

PrfctChaos
WA, 22 posts
25 Oct 2019 7:00AM
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CapNRonK said..
Does anyone know a good supplier of custom replacement lines? I know there's been threads about this in the past - it would be great to order a set of preferably ozone-type front and back lines of custom length, mix and match bars/chicken loops/saftey/split hardware, etc., I have sitting around, but have always found it vastly more expensive than have a rummage at my local kite shop or buying an older new or barely used full set of bar/lines...


In Aus:
kiteboardinglines.com/

From Europe:
drtuba.eu
linestofly.com/en/home/

KiteAddicted
32 posts
28 Oct 2019 11:14AM
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lads, thanks so much for this thread . i found two surprising knots in my lines. i am not big into rotations (yet) so was very surprised to find them at all. found out they weaken lines by up to 50%. spent about 10min each one, trying to work the knots out using the soak and gentle pliers method. then checked other bar which was ok. thanks again guys.was better to look at home with time and equipment, than at beach when wind is cranking and no equipment.

Sauce
WA, 191 posts
28 Oct 2019 11:51AM
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KiteAddicted said..
lads, thanks so much for this thread . i found two surprising knots in my lines. i am not big into rotations (yet) so was very surprised to find them at all. found out they weaken lines by up to 50%. spent about 10min each one, trying to work the knots out using the soak and gentle pliers method. then checked other bar which was ok. thanks again guys.was better to look at home with time and equipment, than at beach when wind is cranking and no equipment.


I find chewing on them lightly works better than hard pliers etc.

listery
QLD, 24 posts
28 Oct 2019 4:29PM
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Don't put knots on the concrete and hit them with a 4lb hammer to get them undone either. Don't do that.

KiteAddicted
32 posts
29 Oct 2019 9:35AM
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i wasnt sure about chewing....so was as light as possible witht the pliers....noted about hammer and concrete....thanks for tips

Beelzebub
WA, 138 posts
29 Oct 2019 7:33PM
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Does anyone know a good supplier of custom replacement lines?


Seller name: "Bozracing" on eBay (I bought 2x15 m spliced "Black Dyneema? SK78 Fiber Synthetic Fishing Winch Marine rope 480kg" for AUD 35 (?) to replace Ozone central lines)

PrfctChaos
WA, 22 posts
30 Oct 2019 8:00AM
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Beelzebub said..


CapNRonK said..
Does anyone know a good supplier of custom replacement lines?




Seller name: "Bozracing" on eBay (I bought 2x15 m spliced "Black Dyneema? SK78 Fiber Synthetic Fishing Winch Marine rope 480kg" for AUD 35 (?) to replace Ozone central lines)



Couldn't pay me to use that rope for kite lines. Here is the description from the "Bozracing" ebay add "2.2mm X 10m Black Dyneema? SK78 Fiber Synthetic Fishing Winch Marine rope 480kg"

Best lines on the market currently is SK99 Liros lines. Just 1.6 mm sk99 lines have a Breaking load of 591 Kg, compared to 480 Kg for the 2.2 mm thick fishing lines. Thinner lines are well worth it.

brinm
66 posts
30 Oct 2019 9:35AM
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Been successful getting knots out by CAREFULLY pushing a SLIM needle through the knot and then levering it gently to break the knot apart...you have to be a bit careful and push the needle through what you think is the place where the two pieces of line are adjacent (make sense)...not push it simply thorough a line and lever it......if you look at the knot carefully and insert the needle alongside one piece of the line where it , in effect, butts up against the returning piece that makes up the knot.....(need a diagram here)...lubricate with water/saliva and be gentle.....works for me, keep a needle in the car!

This diagram may help....its a figure eight knot...and any knot I've ever had is not this complicated...usually a simple loop....but if u insert needle as per the black line between the adjacent bits you should be able to open it up...be patient Grasshopper


KiteAddicted
32 posts
2 Nov 2019 2:32AM
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Brinm I get the idea but if the knots are anything like the ones I had the are like little pebbles.there just ain't no gap!

brinm
66 posts
2 Nov 2019 2:52AM
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yep, mine looked pretty impossible too at first look.....but try to c a r e f u l l y push a narrow needle through and see how it goes, be patient and careful

a needle will go through the bundle with minimal damage I found,,,,the knots i took out were ones found unexpectedly in a line (how do they get there?)... so they were pretty tight

in my experience (from a background as a textile technology consultant) its a lot more likely to succeed and not cause as much damage than banging fibre bundles with a hammer or chewing (as others have suggested....)

it won't work for everything I suppose, but in my two (only two so far) cases, its worked with no damage.....

KiteAddicted
32 posts
2 Nov 2019 11:30AM
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ok cant argue with professional qualifications i will give it a shot next time. thanks for the tip.

brinm
66 posts
3 Nov 2019 12:07PM
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Hey, I'm not a knot expert........the needle has worked for me that's all....

Chris_M
1842 posts
3 Nov 2019 5:41PM
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I have managed to get a couple of nuggety tight little knots out by spitting on and then tapping it with an empty beer bottle. As long as its on a smooth piece of tile or even another beer bottle you should be right. Just keep tap a tap a tappin' and rotating that knot around and it will eventually free up.

So go get a 6 pack and get to work

NeTRaVeR
NSW, 61 posts
5 Nov 2019 9:54AM
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brinm said..
yep, mine looked pretty impossible too at first look.....but try to c a r e f u l l y push a narrow needle through and see how it goes, be patient and careful

a needle will go through the bundle with minimal damage I found,,,,the knots i took out were ones found unexpectedly in a line (how do they get there?)... so they were pretty tight

in my experience (from a background as a textile technology consultant) its a lot more likely to succeed and not cause as much damage than banging fibre bundles with a hammer or chewing (as others have suggested....)

it won't work for everything I suppose, but in my two (only two so far) cases, its worked with no damage.....



My secret to avoiding knots is by practicing the following,

Disconnect the left steering line and center line from the kite and reattach them to each other. Do so with the right side too and then proceed with roll up your lines in a figure 8 around the bar.

I do this religiously as I have found this reduces my set up time significantly when planning to go out. When setting up my kite, I pump the kite up, then run my lines after packing out the bar. I will always have the steering and center lines attached, and have them sitting above my knee once I have walked my lines out from the bar. I disconnect the left steering and center lines and reattach them to the kite and then do the same with the right side - This aids with preventing lines crossing and I only ever have to run my lines once from the time I have packed them out.

This also helps when setting up in high winds as loose steering and center lines tend to whirl around each other when flapping in the wind which creates unnecessary frustration when you just want to get off the beach and kite.

KiteAddicted
32 posts
5 Nov 2019 4:40PM
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Thanks will have to try that one.



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