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What is the best Light wind kite for Foil board?

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Created by Runjase 6 months ago, 20 Mar 2018
warwickl
NSW, 1013 posts
29 Apr 2018 8:37PM
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emmafoils said..
I have done the experiment several times and I can absolutely assure you that a good light weight medium aspect foil kite (Pulsion 12 in my case) will stay up in the air during super low lulls better than a Cloud 13.4 or 13.5. My Clouds are 10.4 and smaller for that reason.







Agree re the smaller Clouds over the bigger sizes. I've had a Cloud C5 in a smaller size and it was a lovely little kite to foil with in stronger winds. I was watching a Cloud D 13.4m the other day. It looked quite slow and almost clumsy looking in turns - no more nimble than the high A/R foil kites that were also out. It almost looked on the edge of buckling when down looping but to be fair it was probably over - powered at the time as I was comfortably powered on a 9m. If I ever bought another Cloud it would be in the smaller sizes again for sure. I think an 8 would be the max I'd get. Quite nice kites to foil with for sure. Lots of grunt and fun to fly.






I have 10.4D and kited the 13.4 D. Correctly inflated and trimmed I found the 13.4 D stayed up longer than the 10.4D.
Both amazing regardless - absoulty nothing clumsy about any D version Cloud kite.





No I'm sure that's the case. Just as an observer I was surprised by the slow turning speed - but I guess it's a 13.4m kite so it's not going to be the most nimble kite on the water in any case.




Forgot to mention on 32m race lines. Race lines minimise bow in lines due to lower resistance and as such kite is more responsive.
I've only just started using race lines and can not believe the difference.




Are you using the ozone race lines with 100kg for back and 200 kg for front?


I have 100 x 200kg on 32m lines and 200x 300kg on 27m Ozone lines.

max_ob
QLD, 163 posts
30 Apr 2018 6:15AM
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I have 100 x 200kg on 32m lines and 200x 300kg on 27m Ozone lines.


Are you using the ozone race lines with 100kg for back and 200 kg for front?



hey warwickl . . .

what kites do you use the 32m lines with . . . what sort of wind strength?

I have a set of the 27m 100x200kg lines that I have yet to try.

warwickl
NSW, 1013 posts
30 Apr 2018 7:55AM
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So far 10.4D Cloud strutless.
In 8 to 10kn breeze.
I think I'll just use 200x 100 for light wind and 200x300 27m above 12kn ish.
A friend who is 100kg plus uses 200x 300kg 27 to 32m long in all conditions on Cloud strutless kites 3.7 to 13.4m

dachopper
WA, 1352 posts
1 May 2018 11:12PM
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Ok... hands down whatever this guys is riding in 1 to 2 kts is the best light wind kite wow!

bigtone667
NSW, 954 posts
2 May 2018 6:39AM
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Ok... hands down whatever this guys is riding in 1 to 2 kts is the best light wind kite wow!



Damn that's impressive!!!! Sublime riding skills too.

Ozone Kites Aus
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2 May 2018 12:19PM
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Are you using the ozone race lines with 100kg for back and 200 kg for front?


Ozone has discontinued the 100kg/200kg race lines. All their race lines are now 200kg rears and 300kg fronts sold in sets of matched length 4 line sets 12,13,15,16,17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25, 27, 30, 32, 50M lengths.
These lines are not much larger in diameter than the previous version in 100/200 as they are made with the newer, higher modulus dyneema line that Ozone switched too several months ago.
They make a big difference for light wind kiting, but they need to be examined regularly for wear, especially the rears and I'd definitely not recommend to ride with twists in the lines ( they won't break, but riding with twists will accelerate wearing).

Gazuki
WA, 769 posts
2 May 2018 11:54AM
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I'm speechless, that video is truly amazing!

bigtone667
NSW, 954 posts
2 May 2018 3:09PM
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Are you using the ozone race lines with 100kg for back and 200 kg for front?



Ozone has discontinued the 100kg/200kg race lines. All their race lines are now 200kg rears and 300kg fronts sold in sets of matched length 4 line sets 12,13,15,16,17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25, 27, 30, 32, 50M lengths.
These lines are not much larger in diameter than the previous version in 100/200 as they are made with the newer, higher modulus dyneema line that Ozone switched too several months ago.
They make a big difference for light wind kiting, but they need to be examined regularly for wear, especially the rears and I'd definitely not recommend to ride with twists in the lines ( they won't break, but riding with twists will accelerate wearing).


How much are the 50's?

Ozone Kites Aus
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2 May 2018 5:01PM
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Ozone Kites Aus said..




Are you using the ozone race lines with 100kg for back and 200 kg for front?




Ozone has discontinued the 100kg/200kg race lines. All their race lines are now 200kg rears and 300kg fronts sold in sets of matched length 4 line sets 12,13,15,16,17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25, 27, 30, 32, 50M lengths.
These lines are not much larger in diameter than the previous version in 100/200 as they are made with the newer, higher modulus dyneema line that Ozone switched too several months ago.
They make a big difference for light wind kiting, but they need to be examined regularly for wear, especially the rears and I'd definitely not recommend to ride with twists in the lines ( they won't break, but riding with twists will accelerate wearing).



How much are the 50's?


Rec Ret $329

GeoffD
WA, 46 posts
6 May 2018 9:17AM
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dachopper said..
Ok... hands down whatever this guys is riding in 1 to 2 kts is the best light wind kite wow!


That's the new Flysurfer Soul 15 closed cell foil kite - they're aimed at the same market as the Ozone Hyperlink, sizes to 21m. Lovely kite. Just spent a week up at Shark Bay with one.

dachopper
WA, 1352 posts
20 May 2018 5:07PM
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Just tried out the 12Meter mono, 6-8kts is my guess... not a single whitecap, some sections of water were oily smooth.

Relaunch impossible, and at around 20kts board speed, thinking about pulling depower strap

warwickl
NSW, 1013 posts
20 May 2018 8:05PM
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Photos plus breeze evidence required

bigtone667
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20 May 2018 8:12PM
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Just tried out the 12Meter mono, 6-8kts is my guess... not a single whitecap, some sections of water were oily smooth.

Relaunch impossible, and at around 20kts board speed, thinking about pulling depower strap


Those are awesome conditions.

Gorgo
VIC, 4014 posts
21 May 2018 8:39PM
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Just tried out the 12Meter mono, 6-8kts is my guess... not a single whitecap, some sections of water were oily smooth.

Relaunch impossible, and at around 20kts board speed, thinking about pulling depower strap


You realise that what you are implying, riding in 6-8 knots with 20 knots board speed, is almost impossible.

Two times wind speed is reasonable and very likely, which means 12-15 knots board speed at best. You could do that without any specialist racing gear.

More likely is you had a wind gradient, or a wind shadow inshore. The wind up higher or further out would have been a touch stronger.

I have often had totally glassy conditions when the wind is coming over a low headland just upwind of where we are riding. The actual wind speed was quite high.

Smithy
VIC, 813 posts
21 May 2018 9:16PM
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Only new to foiling, up and going and now Looking at the Cabrinha Apollo in a 9 or 10m as a dedicated foiling kite, does anyone have any real life experience with these? The only comments I have found here are based on larger sizes.

DukeSilver
WA, 217 posts
22 May 2018 6:50AM
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Only new to foiling, up and going and now Looking at the Cabrinha Apollo in a 9 or 10m as a dedicated foiling kite, does anyone have any real life experience with these? The only comments I have found here are based on larger sizes.


If you're a Cabrinha rider, get a Drifter over an Apollo. Wave kites, single or no strut and foil kites are what foilers find best on a HF. You can certainly use any kite you want including the Apollo, but 5 struts is overkill and will impact your low end foiling potential. A fast, nimble wave kite is so much nicer to use for free-riding. There's a good series of vids by Mac-kiteboarding called "Foil Fridays". There is an episode that talks about the most suitable kites for HF. Check it out.

Smithy
VIC, 813 posts
22 May 2018 1:56PM
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DukeSilver said..

Smithy said..
Only new to foiling, up and going and now Looking at the Cabrinha Apollo in a 9 or 10m as a dedicated foiling kite, does anyone have any real life experience with these? The only comments I have found here are based on larger sizes.



If you're a Cabrinha rider, get a Drifter over an Apollo. Wave kites, single or no strut and foil kites are what foilers find best on a HF. You can certainly use any kite you want including the Apollo, but 5 struts is overkill and will impact your low end foiling potential. A fast, nimble wave kite is so much nicer to use for free-riding. There's a good series of vids by Mac-kiteboarding called "Foil Fridays". There is an episode that talks about the most suitable kites for HF. Check it out.


Thanks for the reply. I currently use Switchblades but was led to believe the Apollo was designed by Cabrinha as an alternative to foil kites to be used for HF.

dachopper
WA, 1352 posts
23 May 2018 2:00AM
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No wind Meter anywhere near me , you can only judge by the water - what I can say is the 15 meter Mono with 5th line, and the 12 Meter mono were utterly un - relaunchable, even with assistance at the kite it took about 10 tries and pumping of the center lines - hence my assesement of 6 to 8 kts. My mate tried the 12 mono on a surf board, and he couldn't even get up on it. Top speed was just under 19 kts, but the kite was starting to pull me off, and I knew kite in the water was game over, so I backed off. I felt 20kts was 100% do-able, mostly cruising at 15-18 kts though








alverstone
WA, 468 posts
5 Jun 2018 7:30PM
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Smithy said..
Only new to foiling, up and going and now Looking at the Cabrinha Apollo in a 9 or 10m as a dedicated foiling kite, does anyone have any real life experience with these? The only comments I have found here are based on larger sizes.



Go Drifters. You need the drifting ability when down looping during turns on the HF. They also open up wave riding and have great resale value. In-demand kite. I'm 90kg and use my 5m 2018 Drifter at 18kts on the foil - stamdard Perth seabreeze. My 7m is for about 15kts.

dachopper
WA, 1352 posts
30 Aug 2018 10:31PM
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For what it's worth, went out for a sesh last week with a guy on an 18 meter flysurfer sonic 2. I was on the 12 mono. And large foil.

What I can say is it was easier for me to get out of the water on power stroke than him. His kite seemed to do the slowest power stroke known to mankind.

The foil has a massive part to play when it comes to how low can u go. My foil has a minimum speed for me of about 11kts, but if I'm on the race foil, more like 13kts.

In the light winds, if you can get to takeoff speed, your sorted.

Nick

cefirmeza
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31 Aug 2018 2:19AM
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dachopper said..
For what it's worth, went out for a sesh last week with a guy on an 18 meter flysurfer sonic 2. I was on the 12 mono. And large foil.

What I can say is it was easier for me to get out of the water on power stroke than him. His kite seemed to do the slowest power stroke known to mankind.

The foil has a massive part to play when it comes to how low can u go. My foil has a minimum speed for me of about 11kts, but if I'm on the race foil, more like 13kts.

In the light winds, if you can get to takeoff speed, your sorted.

Nick


How heavy are you?

I weight 65kg and starting transitions on a high volume foil board.

I am searching for the most apropriate low end kite for me in less than 10 knots breezes.

Maybe my 11m 3 strut kite on 29m lines is not enough but haven?t tried it yet on such light winds. Learned on 15 knots with a 9m getting overpowered sometimes.

I read most average or heavy kiters advise de 12m mono but I am afraid I get overpowered once up on the foil.

Is the 9m mono with long lines enough to stay up and relaunch on ultra light winds? Also can I waterstart looping considering Im a light kiter?

Also have a 12m and 14m rpm but I dont think they will stay up and relauch on such conditions.

LeighMajor
NSW, 217 posts
31 Aug 2018 7:32AM
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dachopper said..
For what it's worth, went out for a sesh last week with a guy on an 18 meter flysurfer sonic 2. I was on the 12 mono. And large foil.

What I can say is it was easier for me to get out of the water on power stroke than him. His kite seemed to do the slowest power stroke known to mankind.

The foil has a massive part to play when it comes to how low can u go. My foil has a minimum speed for me of about 11kts, but if I'm on the race foil, more like 13kts.

In the light winds, if you can get to takeoff speed, your sorted.

Nick



How heavy are you?

I weight 65kg and starting transitions on a high volume foil board.

I am searching for the most apropriate low end kite for me in less than 10 knots breezes.

Maybe my 11m 3 strut kite on 29m lines is not enough but haven?t tried it yet on such light winds. Learned on 15 knots with a 9m getting overpowered sometimes.

I read most average or heavy kiters advise de 12m mono but I am afraid I get overpowered once up on the foil.

Is the 9m mono with long lines enough to stay up and relaunch on ultra light winds? Also can I waterstart looping considering Im a light kiter?

Also have a 12m and 14m rpm but I dont think they will stay up and relauch on such conditions.


Hi mate
I am 100kgs and have used my 2018 Naish Boxer 11m single centre strut in lightish variable winds.10-14kts
For your weight 65kgs no problem.
Lots of depower,easy relaunch.
It's so light it just stays up there.
can be used with a surfboard in waves.
Great drift.
Sheet and go power.
Great Foil kites
Have a 9m Boxer also on Seabreeze.
Just updating.

bigtone667
NSW, 954 posts
31 Aug 2018 10:40AM
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I think once you start to get under 10 knots, you want a light weight single strut or no strut kite (lei or foil).

In 8 knots (@100kg), I can get away with a 13m no strut kite and 32m lines (and flat wide planning board to at least get onto top of the water).

I have an 18m Chrono, 17m strutless, but I just have no need for that size when I am freeride foiling. Great for launching, but they generate too much power once I get going.

For your weight, a light weight single strut/strutless 10m or 11m with long race lines will get you going in 8 knots.

dachopper
WA, 1352 posts
31 Aug 2018 9:37AM
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I think once you start to get under 10 knots, you want a light weight single strut or no strut kite (lei or foil).

In 8 knots (@100kg), I can get away with a 13m no strut kite and 32m lines (and flat wide planning board to at least get onto top of the water).

I have an 18m Chrono, 17m strutless, but I just have no need for that size when I am freeride foiling. Great for launching, but they generate too much power once I get going.

For your weight, a light weight single strut/strutless 10m or 11m with long race lines will get you going in 8 knots.


What they both said..... 65 kgs you probably be ok on a 9 meter, mono or ultra or similar light weight Single strut so u can still relaunch, no struts cant relaunch.

Your 11 would be fine, just better to have lightest kite possible for better handling and better relaunch.



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