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What is the best Light wind kite for Foil board?

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airsail
QLD, 278 posts
16 Apr 2018 7:01AM
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Foil kites have developed for the race market, high aspect, twitchy things to use to get the best performance. Although I haven't used one iit looks like Ozone has taken a step back away from the race orientated foil to a fun easy to use foil by developing the Hyperlink. I just wish the price was a bit more reasonable.
I'm using older foil designs, Speed 2, Psycho 3 and they work on the hydrofoil just fine. Really easy to use as they are low aspect compared to the current race foils, but geez they are slow. This is something you just have to get used to but the 12 gets me going and relaunching in 8 knots.
It also depends on what style of hydrofoiling you want to do. Foil kites are more of a park and ride type of foiling, going places, the occasional transition. LIE's suit the multi transition runs like Bigtone has posted above, foil kites just aren't quick enough to make this enjoyable. Maybe the Hyperlink is quicker (12 mtr) but the vids I have seen don't really show turning speed.

Macster
VIC, 202 posts
16 Apr 2018 7:18PM
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I'm 78 kg and use a Moses 550 wing. My 12m Mono works in 10 knots with some short lulls to 8. I've never dropped it in the water!
Has a lot of power in down and up stroke, and if there's anything wrong about it is that it's too powerful when you have apparent wind on a HF. Its a great kite to use as a beginner and freeride foiling and with a surfboard . I also have Mono 9-7 m

I've ordered a Hyperlink UL 9m that I'll run on 27 to 20 m lines. People have told me it will replace the 12 Mono . I dont have it yet. I'll be surprised if it indeed has same power as the 12 Mono, but a majority of experienced people advised me to get the 9m..
Many foil kite users say that as a bigger kite I will want a 15 m... Some jump from 9m to 17m.... Next year.....


My 9m hyperlink on 26m lines can get me going in 8 knots (88kgs). I reckon i might even be able to go lower, i just havent had it long enough to test the capabilities yet

Macster
VIC, 202 posts
16 Apr 2018 7:20PM
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airsail said..
Foil kites have developed for the race market, high aspect, twitchy things to use to get the best performance. Although I haven't used one iit looks like Ozone has taken a step back away from the race orientated foil to a fun easy to use foil by developing the Hyperlink. I just wish the price was a bit more reasonable.
I'm using older foil designs, Speed 2, Psycho 3 and they work on the hydrofoil just fine. Really easy to use as they are low aspect compared to the current race foils, but geez they are slow. This is something you just have to get used to but the 12 gets me going and relaunching in 8 knots.
It also depends on what style of hydrofoiling you want to do. Foil kites are more of a park and ride type of foiling, going places, the occasional transition. LIE's suit the multi transition runs like Bigtone has posted above, foil kites just aren't quick enough to make this enjoyable. Maybe the Hyperlink is quicker (12 mtr) but the vids I have seen don't really show turning speed.


9m hyperlink kite loops surprisingly well on 23m lines. Im gonna take it out in 20+ knots on the twin tip one day and try a proper kiteloop jump!

bigtone667
NSW, 917 posts
16 Apr 2018 7:54PM
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airsail said..
Foil kites have developed for the race market, high aspect, twitchy things to use to get the best performance. Although I haven't used one iit looks like Ozone has taken a step back away from the race orientated foil to a fun easy to use foil by developing the Hyperlink. I just wish the price was a bit more reasonable.
I'm using older foil designs, Speed 2, Psycho 3 and they work on the hydrofoil just fine. Really easy to use as they are low aspect compared to the current race foils, but geez they are slow. This is something you just have to get used to but the 12 gets me going and relaunching in 8 knots.
It also depends on what style of hydrofoiling you want to do. Foil kites are more of a park and ride type of foiling, going places, the occasional transition. LIE's suit the multi transition runs like Bigtone has posted above, foil kites just aren't quick enough to make this enjoyable. Maybe the Hyperlink is quicker (12 mtr) but the vids I have seen don't really show turning speed.



9m hyperlink kite loops surprisingly well on 23m lines. Im gonna take it out in 20+ knots on the twin tip one day and try a proper kiteloop jump!


Be worth filming....

snalberski
WA, 559 posts
16 Apr 2018 7:33PM
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airsail said..
Foil kites have developed for the race market, high aspect, twitchy things to use to get the best performance. Although I haven't used one iit looks like Ozone has taken a step back away from the race orientated foil to a fun easy to use foil by developing the Hyperlink. I just wish the price was a bit more reasonable.
I'm using older foil designs, Speed 2, Psycho 3 and they work on the hydrofoil just fine. Really easy to use as they are low aspect compared to the current race foils, but geez they are slow. This is something you just have to get used to but the 12 gets me going and relaunching in 8 knots.
It also depends on what style of hydrofoiling you want to do. Foil kites are more of a park and ride type of foiling, going places, the occasional transition. LIE's suit the multi transition runs like Bigtone has posted above, foil kites just aren't quick enough to make this enjoyable. Maybe the Hyperlink is quicker (12 mtr) but the vids I have seen don't really show turning speed.




9m hyperlink kite loops surprisingly well on 23m lines. Im gonna take it out in 20+ knots on the twin tip one day and try a proper kiteloop jump!



I'm gonna give a tt darkslide with kiteloop a crack with a 7m Hyperlink.... if I ever get the gnads. The float should be epic.

TomW059
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17 Apr 2018 4:01AM
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Macster said..

TomW059 said..
I'm 78 kg and use a Moses 550 wing. My 12m Mono works in 10 knots with some short lulls to 8. I've never dropped it in the water!
Has a lot of power in down and up stroke, and if there's anything wrong about it is that it's too powerful when you have apparent wind on a HF. Its a great kite to use as a beginner and freeride foiling and with a surfboard . I also have Mono 9-7 m

I've ordered a Hyperlink UL 9m that I'll run on 27 to 20 m lines. People have told me it will replace the 12 Mono . I dont have it yet. I'll be surprised if it indeed has same power as the 12 Mono, but a majority of experienced people advised me to get the 9m..
Many foil kite users say that as a bigger kite I will want a 15 m... Some jump from 9m to 17m.... Next year.....



My 9m hyperlink on 26m lines can get me going in 8 knots (88kgs). I reckon i might even be able to go lower, i just havent had it long enough to test the capabilities yet


Macster, sounds encouraging. I'm really hoping it will work for me in 10 knots with 8 lulls. I'm down to 75kgs. Get the kite this week. It weighs 1560g, the UL version. Spring is here in N Europe .

Eventually I'd like to get a smaller foil kite and a bigger foil to be able to travel with 2 kites and my split foil board/ surfboard I'm making . If I go to windy place I'd take 9m and smaller and light wind 9 and 13....

snalberski
WA, 559 posts
17 Apr 2018 9:21AM
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I was out foiling at the same spot as Darren today and can attest to him being very lit on his North foil kite - and so he should have been on a 14.5m. It was 9 -12kts according to SB. I was on my Hoverglide and 9m Ozone Catalyst (which I bought from Darren), and had no problems staying upwind - but had to work the kite hard at times. I'm 79kgs. If I had dropped my kite, relaunch would have been a problem. My mate went out on his 14m Apollo and Cab Double Agent. He came in after maybe 15 min as his kite turned into a death machine once up foiling and creating apparent wind. Comfortable power is a fine line on lighter days with bigger kites.


Where exactly is that spot? I've seen plently of foilboarders launching from Attadale in an easterly which should have plenty of room to launch a foil kite, but where is a river beach that you can launch a foil kite from on SW?

Bletti
WA, 156 posts
17 Apr 2018 9:49AM
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That's melville beach.

I'll be up in Perth in a couple weeks and if we get light wind we can see how much lighter the foil kites work vs my 13.4 Cloud. I doubt it's too big of a difference. We can also intentionally drop our kites in the water and see which relaunches easier. I bet in 8 kts of wind my 13.4 Cloud gets back in the air quicker and more reliably.

I like the performance of foil kites, but unless i'm on the race course chasing angles and vmg I'd rather be on my BRM Clouds big and small. more fun and playful, lighter, more forgiving with drift, no worrying about folding wingtips, no breaking bridles on failed gybes and tacks, much more durable in waves, safer when you drop it, and quicker to setup and go and pack down after.

snalberski
WA, 559 posts
17 Apr 2018 12:51PM
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That's melville beach.

I'll be up in Perth in a couple weeks and if we get light wind we can see how much lighter the foil kites work vs my 13.4 Cloud. I doubt it's too big of a difference. We can also intentionally drop our kites in the water and see which relaunches easier. I bet in 8 kts of wind my 13.4 Cloud gets back in the air quicker and more reliably.

I like the performance of foil kites, but unless i'm on the race course chasing angles and vmg I'd rather be on my BRM Clouds big and small. more fun and playful, lighter, more forgiving with drift, no worrying about folding wingtips, no breaking bridles on failed gybes and tacks, much more durable in waves, safer when you drop it, and quicker to setup and go and pack down after.


I'd be interested myself to have a crack on a Cloud to make a comparison. I have an 9m Ultra which is also an excellent kite but the narrower power delivery dynamic of the foil kite really sold me.

Bletti
WA, 156 posts
21 Apr 2018 7:12PM
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Bletti said..
That's melville beach.

I'll be up in Perth in a couple weeks and if we get light wind we can see how much lighter the foil kites work vs my 13.4 Cloud. I doubt it's too big of a difference. We can also intentionally drop our kites in the water and see which relaunches easier. I bet in 8 kts of wind my 13.4 Cloud gets back in the air quicker and more reliably.

I like the performance of foil kites, but unless i'm on the race course chasing angles and vmg I'd rather be on my BRM Clouds big and small. more fun and playful, lighter, more forgiving with drift, no worrying about folding wingtips, no breaking bridles on failed gybes and tacks, much more durable in waves, safer when you drop it, and quicker to setup and go and pack down after.



I'd be interested myself to have a crack on a Cloud to make a comparison. I have an 9m Ultra which is also an excellent kite but the narrower power delivery dynamic of the foil kite really sold me.


If you're free Tuesday I'll be up and we might get some 13.4m or 8.0m cloud riding weather.

snalberski
WA, 559 posts
21 Apr 2018 8:08PM
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snalberski said..


Bletti said..
That's melville beach.

I'll be up in Perth in a couple weeks and if we get light wind we can see how much lighter the foil kites work vs my 13.4 Cloud. I doubt it's too big of a difference. We can also intentionally drop our kites in the water and see which relaunches easier. I bet in 8 kts of wind my 13.4 Cloud gets back in the air quicker and more reliably.

I like the performance of foil kites, but unless i'm on the race course chasing angles and vmg I'd rather be on my BRM Clouds big and small. more fun and playful, lighter, more forgiving with drift, no worrying about folding wingtips, no breaking bridles on failed gybes and tacks, much more durable in waves, safer when you drop it, and quicker to setup and go and pack down after.




I'd be interested myself to have a crack on a Cloud to make a comparison. I have an 9m Ultra which is also an excellent kite but the narrower power delivery dynamic of the foil kite really sold me.



If you're free Tuesday I'll be up and we might get some 13.4m or 8.0m cloud riding weather.


I'd be free but it does look way marginal if the SB forecast is right .... 9knts @ 3.30

ActionSportsWA
WA, 560 posts
21 Apr 2018 8:33PM
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Bletti said..




snalberski said..





Bletti said..
That's melville beach.

I'll be up in Perth in a couple weeks and if we get light wind we can see how much lighter the foil kites work vs my 13.4 Cloud. I doubt it's too big of a difference. We can also intentionally drop our kites in the water and see which relaunches easier. I bet in 8 kts of wind my 13.4 Cloud gets back in the air quicker and more reliably.

I like the performance of foil kites, but unless i'm on the race course chasing angles and vmg I'd rather be on my BRM Clouds big and small. more fun and playful, lighter, more forgiving with drift, no worrying about folding wingtips, no breaking bridles on failed gybes and tacks, much more durable in waves, safer when you drop it, and quicker to setup and go and pack down after.







I'd be interested myself to have a crack on a Cloud to make a comparison. I have an 9m Ultra which is also an excellent kite but the narrower power delivery dynamic of the foil kite really sold me.






If you're free Tuesday I'll be up and we might get some 13.4m or 8.0m cloud riding weather.





I'd be free but it does look way marginal if the SB forecast is right .... 9knts @ 3.30




I'd be up for that challenge on Tuesday. 14.5 North Ace vs 13.4 Cloud or even the 11.5 Ace on 24m lines.

Best on the river to avoid the ubiquitous weed following on from the swell and storm. You won't go 100m on the ocean without collecting 5 kg of weed.

Ive seen the Clouds fly and they are impressive but for pure minimum wind the big high aspect foils stand unchallenged I think.

I reckon the Hyperlink will fit in between the big foils and the one/none strut kites.

A fairer match would be Clouds vs Mono's. Might see if I can score a 12m Mono for the day. Very curious ...

DM

We were absolutely lit with 50% trim between 4pm and 5:30pm today on the 11.5 and 18m lines. Such a fun sesh




bigtone667
NSW, 917 posts
22 Apr 2018 6:21AM
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snalberski said..




Bletti said..





snalberski said..






Bletti said..
That's melville beach.

I'll be up in Perth in a couple weeks and if we get light wind we can see how much lighter the foil kites work vs my 13.4 Cloud. I doubt it's too big of a difference. We can also intentionally drop our kites in the water and see which relaunches easier. I bet in 8 kts of wind my 13.4 Cloud gets back in the air quicker and more reliably.

I like the performance of foil kites, but unless i'm on the race course chasing angles and vmg I'd rather be on my BRM Clouds big and small. more fun and playful, lighter, more forgiving with drift, no worrying about folding wingtips, no breaking bridles on failed gybes and tacks, much more durable in waves, safer when you drop it, and quicker to setup and go and pack down after.








I'd be interested myself to have a crack on a Cloud to make a comparison. I have an 9m Ultra which is also an excellent kite but the narrower power delivery dynamic of the foil kite really sold me.







If you're free Tuesday I'll be up and we might get some 13.4m or 8.0m cloud riding weather.






I'd be free but it does look way marginal if the SB forecast is right .... 9knts @ 3.30





I'd be up for that challenge on Tuesday. 14.5 North Ace vs 13.4 Cloud or even the 11.5 Ace on 24m lines.

Best on the river to avoid the ubiquitous weed following on from the swell and storm. You won't go 100m on the ocean without collecting 5 kg of weed.

Ive seen the Clouds fly and they are impressive but for pure minimum wind the big high aspect foils stand unchallenged I think.

I reckon the Hyperlink will fit in between the big foils and the one/none strut kites.

A fairer match would be Clouds vs Mono's. Might see if I can score a 12m Mono for the day. Very curious ...

DM

We were absolutely lit with 50% trim between 4pm and 5:30pm today on the 11.5 and 18m lines. Such a fun sesh





In a straight line with no drifting or carving, and no surf or fast turning, no variable winds..... I agree.

Macster
VIC, 202 posts
22 Apr 2018 1:56PM
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Bletti said..
That's melville beach.

I'll be up in Perth in a couple weeks and if we get light wind we can see how much lighter the foil kites work vs my 13.4 Cloud. I doubt it's too big of a difference. We can also intentionally drop our kites in the water and see which relaunches easier. I bet in 8 kts of wind my 13.4 Cloud gets back in the air quicker and more reliably.

I like the performance of foil kites, but unless i'm on the race course chasing angles and vmg I'd rather be on my BRM Clouds big and small. more fun and playful, lighter, more forgiving with drift, no worrying about folding wingtips, no breaking bridles on failed gybes and tacks, much more durable in waves, safer when you drop it, and quicker to setup and go and pack down after.


Drowning my foil kite is my biggest fear. I did it once on purpose to see how long it would take to drown and relaunch. In waist deep water i eventually got it back in the air but no way i could have if i couldnt stand on the bottom.

The likelihood of dropping a foil kite in light wind is less than with a lei, i can fly mine in 4 knots if i keep it active and looping but still, they do have their limitations.

bigtone667
NSW, 917 posts
22 Apr 2018 6:58PM
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Let's go all way back to the beginning..... what sort of foiling do you want to do?

warwickl
NSW, 977 posts
22 Apr 2018 7:09PM
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Perfect jibing and go from there

ActionSportsWA
WA, 560 posts
22 Apr 2018 9:19PM
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Hey Macster,

Downing a big foil in extreme low wind isn't a huge headache. I've downed my 14.5m Ace in wind so low it fell from the sky on a couple of occasions.

First time it fell and flipped an then crossed its wing tips. I pulled and tweaked the lines to open it up but in calm conditions it was fruitless. I was a long way out and after 5 or 6 minutes I figured it was impossible and began the pack down procedure. If I'd waited a few more minutes, the wind came up enough to relaunch ( I think). It was a long swim in.

Second time a very very long way from the beach, the wind again ran out and the Kite fell and twisted. This time I waited and the wind came back just enough to open the wingtips, which allows me to rearward launch. It was in the water for a good while. And although wet, it relaunched enough to begin drying. I body dragged a couple hundred meters until there was enough to wind to water start. I made it back.

A good idea is to fly the big foils in 3 or 4 knots on dry land to understand the way they turn, fly, and relaunch before you head out. I've also learned that on extremely light days not to go too far from the beach ... just in case ??

DM

Bletti
WA, 156 posts
22 Apr 2018 10:47PM
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Horses for courses, but I'd much rather take my cloud kites out farther from land in marginal wind than I'd ever take my old foil kites out. I'd never have considered going around Rottnest on a foil kite or parts of rugged coastline in NZ and here unsupported. I feel safe with my LEI.

The 13.4m Cloud D is 2.25 kg, which is lighter than the Airush Ultra 9m yet 50% bigger. I assume the North Mono weight is comparable to the Ultra. The only time my cloud kites falls out of the sky is when the wind pretty much completely dies and then it's less hassle to swim in than with a foil kite. It's also easier to boat launch with which opens up places I couldn't foil before.





dachopper
WA, 1336 posts
23 Apr 2018 2:51AM
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I am intrigued with this comparison...... Have you guys headed down the river yet for the light windoff?

What boards are you going to fly ? or same board / swap kites?

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23 Apr 2018 11:39AM
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airsail said..
Foil kites have developed for the race market, high aspect, twitchy things to use to get the best performance. Although I haven't used one iit looks like Ozone has taken a step back away from the race orientated foil to a fun easy to use foil by developing the Hyperlink. I just wish the price was a bit more reasonable.
I'm using older foil designs, Speed 2, Psycho 3 and they work on the hydrofoil just fine. Really easy to use as they are low aspect compared to the current race foils, but geez they are slow. This is something you just have to get used to but the 12 gets me going and relaunching in 8 knots.
It also depends on what style of hydrofoiling you want to do. Foil kites are more of a park and ride type of foiling, going places, the occasional transition. LIE's suit the multi transition runs like Bigtone has posted above, foil kites just aren't quick enough to make this enjoyable. Maybe the Hyperlink is quicker (12 mtr) but the vids I have seen don't really show turning speed.



I've been using the Hyperlink 12 and 9M and a Chrono 3UL 11M up here lately in our typical autumn light easterlies. Not foiling just with 5'1" Evo and an Axis Patrol 1.47 x 48, and an MBS comp 95 landboard at low tide (also a kite buggy, that a local has purchased).
The Chrono 3 11M has the best lowend from all 3 kites, and I have a 13M coming as my light wind kite which I think will replace my Zephyr 17M.

The Hyperlinks turns much tighter than the Chrono 3's, but the Chrono 3 maintains is power right through the turn, you just need to be high enough before you do a downloop to transition.

Hyperlink is more lively for sure, does not turn as well as my Reo V4 12M, or Enduro V2 11M, but there is a definite "foil" technique, thats more about reading ahead a bit and initiating turns a bit earlier than you would with a tube kite. I went out in some pretty solid 2+ times overhead surf with the Chrono 11M and felt very confident with it, it is super stable and does not want to overfly and do a fontal collapse. Same with the Hyperlinks. The only time I saw any issue with the Hyperlink was when teaching a younger inexperienced kiter they sheeted out too quickly as the kite was launching and it did a front collapse but recovered and we just continued on as if nothing happened,

Just a curious fact, and to counter some of the hype out there about low weight kites we weighed a 9M Reo V4 recently its was 2.6kg, and a 9M standard Hyperlink is only 1.85kg, so you can see where the light wind stability and extra performance comes from. When I get my 13 UL Chrono V3 I'll weigh it too.

I think in super low wind kiting, which only UL foil kites can do, you really need to be on top of your game, because they will fly in very low wind once you are moving, so it is easy due to apparent wind to get well in an area of reduced wind (a lull) and then when you go to turn and slow down there is barely enough wind to keep even a foil kite flying, due to the combination of an extremely efficient hydrofoil and a foil kite.

The older Flysurfers were definitely slow and were quite a bit heavier than modern foils too, FS used to seal all the seams, whereas now I know Ozone and other foils i've seen do not seal their seams and rely on the skill of the rider to be able to quickly relaunch using the reverse method.

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 637 posts
23 Apr 2018 11:53AM
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airsail said..
Foil kites have developed for the race market, high aspect, twitchy things to use to get the best performance. Although I haven't used one iit looks like Ozone has taken a step back away from the race orientated foil to a fun easy to use foil by developing the Hyperlink. I just wish the price was a bit more reasonable.
I'm using older foil designs, Speed 2, Psycho 3 and they work on the hydrofoil just fine. Really easy to use as they are low aspect compared to the current race foils, but geez they are slow. This is something you just have to get used to but the 12 gets me going and relaunching in 8 knots.
It also depends on what style of hydrofoiling you want to do. Foil kites are more of a park and ride type of foiling, going places, the occasional transition. LIE's suit the multi transition runs like Bigtone has posted above, foil kites just aren't quick enough to make this enjoyable. Maybe the Hyperlink is quicker (12 mtr) but the vids I have seen don't really show turning speed.




I've been using the Hyperlink 12 and 9M and a Chrono 3UL 11M up here lately in our typical autumn light easterlies. Not foiling just with 5'1" Evo and an Axis Patrol 1.47 x 48, and an MBS comp 95 landboard at low tide (also a kite buggy, that a local has purchased).
The Chrono 3 11M has the best lowend from all 3 kites, and I have a 13M coming as my light wind kite which I think will replace my Zephyr 17M.

The Hyperlinks turns much tighter than the Chrono 3's, but the Chrono 3 maintains is power right through the turn, you just need to be high enough before you do a downloop to transition.



Videos please?

alverstone
WA, 461 posts
23 Apr 2018 12:40PM
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I have a single-strut 2018 Naish Boxer and bar 10m for sale in the 'Kite' section. No damage. Buckets of bottom-end at 12-14kts . I'm going to get a cell kite (Hyperlink) because I just need to know I can fly one of those. Another progression challenge, if you will.

snalberski
WA, 559 posts
23 Apr 2018 1:14PM
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I have a single-strut 2018 Naish Boxer and bar 10m for sale in the 'Kite' section. No damage. Buckets of bottom-end at 12-14kts . I'm going to get a cell kite (Hyperlink) because I just need to know I can fly one of those. Another progression challenge, if you will.


I just sold my Ultra in favour of using the Hyperlink. As DM has said using foil kites is way less hard than probably most people imagine. Getting confident at launching and relaunching are the only bits to work on. I haven't done any water relaunching in ultra light wind but have done lots in 10-23 knts. Ive had no trouble water starting so far which is for me has always been a hot launch, using a brake handle when required to turn the kite LE up.

bigtone667
NSW, 917 posts
23 Apr 2018 3:33PM
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alverstone said..
I have a single-strut 2018 Naish Boxer and bar 10m for sale in the 'Kite' section. No damage. Buckets of bottom-end at 12-14kts . I'm going to get a cell kite (Hyperlink) because I just need to know I can fly one of those. Another progression challenge, if you will.




I just sold my Ultra in favour of using the Hyperlink. As DM has said using foil kites is way less hard than probably most people imagine. Getting confident at launching and relaunching are the only bits to work on. I haven't done any water relaunching in ultra light wind but have done lots in 10-23 knts. Ive had no trouble water starting so far which is for me has always been a hot launch, using a brake handle when required to turn the kite LE up.



Happy to swap an 18m Chrono with Bar for the Boxer.

ActionSportsWA
WA, 560 posts
23 Apr 2018 7:04PM
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alverstone said..
I have a single-strut 2018 Naish Boxer and bar 10m for sale in the 'Kite' section. No damage. Buckets of bottom-end at 12-14kts . I'm going to get a cell kite (Hyperlink) because I just need to know I can fly one of those. Another progression challenge, if you will.


Hey Alverstone, I don't think you'll find the Hyperlink too much of a stretch from a tube Kite in terms of the way it flies. They fly similar to an LEI. The benefit is no bladders making it nice and light so they are happier in light winds and will drop towards the waters lot less than an LEI. In other words, it takes less top hand pressure to keep the Kite in the air as you ride along. Launch and landing is slightly different in that you launch st 45 degrees instead of up towards neutral.

Its all good. I'm thinking we'll put a couple of Hyperlink in demo next season. Maybe even a true foil Kite

DM

snalberski
WA, 559 posts
23 Apr 2018 7:25PM
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Ive had no trouble water starting so far which is for me has always been a hot launch, using a brake handle when required to turn the kite LE up.

That should now read Ive only had trouble once, which was today and my first paddle in with a soggy sea anchor

Bletti
WA, 156 posts
23 Apr 2018 11:02PM
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I'd be interested in trying a hyperlink.

See you guys at Melville tomorrow afternoon. If you can ride strapless we can swap foils on the water too to get a good comparison though I'll warn you my low volume sawed off 125cm shinnster isn't ideal in light winds but usually I can get up in a single big loop of the cloud unless it's very light. The board is probably limiting my absolute limit more than the kite but it's bulletproof having washed up on rocks more than a few times and lived another day.

I think in absolute low wind the Ace and other foil kites are first, Cloud a very close second, and all the other one strut kites much worse performance as the Cloud is the same weight or lighter than most foil kites but significantly lighter than other LEI on the market which cuts the cons when comparing it to a foil. But it will be good to see mono vs cloud vs hyperlink vs high aspect race foil kite on the water at once.

Closer to shore we should try touch down a wing tip and relaunch a few times.

We might also get some east wind Wednesday morning at attadale too to go for another foiling round.

bigtone667
NSW, 917 posts
24 Apr 2018 6:47AM
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snalberski said..

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Ive had no trouble water starting so far which is for me has always been a hot launch, using a brake handle when required to turn the kite LE up.


That should now read Ive only had trouble once, which was today and my first paddle in with a soggy sea anchor


I can still remember dragging my 18m sea anchor back through weed as well. Took me half an hour to get the weed out of the bridle lines and then few days of hanging up different sections of the kite to dry it.

dachopper
WA, 1336 posts
24 Apr 2018 9:08PM
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I will be surprised if there is that big a difference between the mono / cloud and foil kites.

Didn't a whole bunch of foil kites end up in the drink a few years back in the rotto, - leighton when the guys on lei race kites rode passed them?

emmafoils
36 posts
24 Apr 2018 9:59PM
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I usually use strutless LEI's for foiling but when the wind gets really low and the lulls get even lower, there is no doubt in my mind that a light foil kite is less likely to fall out of the sky than a light LEI.

Of course, there are disadvantages to foil kites but the above statement is true.



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