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Tripping of the back of the wave

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Created by alverstone 8 months ago, 3 Apr 2018
alverstone
WA, 470 posts
3 Apr 2018 5:25PM
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On Saturday, I kept pitching off the front of the board while doing broad reaches, some very broad, from beach 3 at Woodman's Point back to Coogee SLSC. I felt the foil lift as the swell went under, then I'd pump the board in expectation of the back of the wave, but mostly I'd topple forward or just get caught unexpected. What should I be doing with a following sea? I'm riding a Zeeko black and white on a 900mm mast, with Cab Drifter surf kites. Had the 7m up. One front foot strap running down the middle of board. Gybe strap at the front instead? BTW, my best session ever - about 10 gybes heel and toeside up to Woody's glass water, where it was endless, successful turning practice to the point I fell in at one point just to cool off .

Plummet
4258 posts
3 Apr 2018 6:21PM
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So let me get this straight. You are heading back to the beach with the swell coming in from behind you?

Are you going slower than the swell or faster?

Does it take you over?


If its back to the beach with random unexplained crashes you are most likely venting the rear wing out the back of a swell or chop/swell combo than you cant see. Ride the foil deeper is the answer. Also if you are going slow and the swell is overtaking you and catching you unaware, go faster and that way you will overtake the swell and be able to see the what is coming next and be able to pitch the foil accordingly.


If you are riding out through the swell slice straight through any chop but absorb the ground swell with your legs pumping up and down like a bmx rider riding a rhythm section

RAL INN
VIC, 2597 posts
4 Apr 2018 6:01AM
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Obviously it's those Cab germs leaching down to your Zeeko gear and confusing it to what is wave or tree.

bigtone667
NSW, 990 posts
4 Apr 2018 10:33AM
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Whenever I have had any following swell, I can typically feel it coming in from behind (small acceleration and lift) and I find I need to drive the nose of the board down a bit to accelerate onto the wave. Once I have a correct amount of speed relative to the wave and I can then drive out in front of the wave and start to carve along the wave.

alverstone
WA, 470 posts
4 Apr 2018 11:18AM
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Plummet said..
So let me get this straight. You are heading back to the beach with the swell coming in from behind you?

Are you going slower than the swell or faster?

Does it take you over?


If its back to the beach with random unexplained crashes you are most likely venting the rear wing out the back of a swell or chop/swell combo than you cant see. Ride the foil deeper is the answer. Also if you are going slow and the swell is overtaking you and catching you unaware, go faster and that way you will overtake the swell and be able to see the what is coming next and be able to pitch the foil accordingly.


If you are riding out through the swell slice straight through any chop but absorb the ground swell with your legs pumping up and down like a bmx rider riding a rhythm section


Yes - heading broadly downwind. Felt like the Freo seabreeze-generated swell-wave chop combo was quicker than me.

I'll try again on Saturday - and this time be more aware of riding the foil deeper. Thanks.

TomW059
175 posts
5 Apr 2018 4:59AM
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When I'm going downwind , I usually over take the swells at speed. As I come up the back of the wave, foil wants to lift, and have to compensate with CG forward , As I crest and start down the face I'm neutral, then as I reach bottom I have your weight back a bit so as to not nose dive. Sometimes screaming down the face I have to keep weight forward due to high speed.

Going out the wave passes under so much faster. So it's more like riding a snowboard over a mogul. Bend knees to keep body from going up and down , keeping foil in water. There may be CG compensation , but it happens so fast it's intuitive.

djdojo
VIC, 1479 posts
5 Apr 2018 11:16AM
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Having a decent following swell and riding it at the right angle for maximum speed with minimum input from the kite is one of the joys of freeride foiling. Getting used to weighting your front foot and pointing the nose down as you "drop in" and accelerate takes a little bit of time and balls, but once you get it, it's a sweet sweet feeling.

alverstone
WA, 470 posts
5 Apr 2018 12:44PM
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djdojo said..
Having a decent following swell and riding it at the right angle for maximum speed with minimum input from the kite is one of the joys of freeride foiling. Getting used to weighting your front foot and pointing the nose down as you "drop in" and accelerate takes a little bit of time and balls, but once you get it, it's a sweet sweet feeling.


Thanks.

SavIb
NSW, 99 posts
6 Apr 2018 12:01AM
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Yeah I remember that feeling, won't take long and you will have it sorted. Plenty of good advice already given. I still get surprised each session by how much you can feel the water when foiling. Period, chop other twintip riders wake..... maybe that's what keeps it so interesting.



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