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Noob stabbing

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Created by SaveTheWhales A week ago, 7 Aug 2019
SaveTheWhales
WA, 1661 posts
7 Aug 2019 6:55AM
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Just curious - when is the most likely time you might stab yourself or chop body parts off..

Learning specific types of turns or other ?

CJ2478
NSW, 339 posts
7 Aug 2019 9:44AM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Just curious - when is the most likely time you might stab yourself or chop body parts off..

Learning specific types of turns or other ?


handling the foil and getting into deep water

Gorgo
VIC, 4247 posts
7 Aug 2019 1:15PM
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By far the most common noob error is back foot too far back and too much pressure on the back foot. The foil will buck and can loop in the air, or stay on the surface and carve around by itself. The end result is a foil descending from above, or a board sneaking up behind you and bonking you on the back of the head.

The loop around can happen at slow speed so you can be sitting in the water getting your wits together and receive a love tap on the back of your bonce.

Forehand gybe fails can be scary. Your body falls foward. The board falls back. The foil comes up at your chest like a stabby chopper of death.

High speed getoffs can be part of the "I'm gonna getya" theme. You come off and swing forward and land in the water. The board comes foiling along after you and gives you a painful chop on an arm or leg with the front of the mast.

Noobs with sharp race foils are particularly at risk to slicing feet, ankles and legs while kicking into position in the water.

KIT33R
NSW, 1651 posts
7 Aug 2019 2:30PM
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Wear a helmet. I've had many bonks on the head from my foil board. The more experienced you get the less it happens.

natho6026961
WA, 36 posts
7 Aug 2019 2:03PM
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I've had a few impacts and near misses, rare now, but I sliced my ankle the other day. Armour up for learning: booties, helmet, even impact vest. Sounds overkill but worth it imo.

Gorgo
VIC, 4247 posts
7 Aug 2019 4:26PM
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Not sure about the protective stuff. I always wear a wetsuit and booties. I added a life jacket and helmet while learning.

Certainly the quantity and severity of mishaps are far greater when learning so it makes sense to have protection. Just wait until you get the mast weaving itself through the front and rear lines and a powered up kite pulling the whole thing up against your body.

But also, the most common crashes are high speed face plants and crashes. Impacts to the gear are relatively rare.

Think of the foil snatching the water, add in the 95cm mast, then add in 180cm for my height. That's close to a 3m catapult blasting my head and face into the water. It hurts.

The drag from the helmet and buoyancy vest greatly increase the trauma of crashing at speed. I was getting chronic neck pain from all the hits. I get none of that since I ditched the helmet and vest.

eppo
WA, 7156 posts
7 Aug 2019 2:46PM
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A local burst his ear drum not long back after taking off on a decent wave prone foiling (bit off more than he could chew). I was out with him and heard the slap of his skull on the water. And this guy is one of those locals who looks almost like a professional surfer on a normal surfboard. The head slaps at speed tend to be the thing that gets me the most. Ouch.

Duff15
VIC, 218 posts
7 Aug 2019 8:39PM
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First session I thought it was a good idea to kick my feet under the water to bring the foil over. Turns out it was a **** idea and cut my feet on the foil. Lesson learned.

emmafoils
72 posts
7 Aug 2019 7:21PM
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Numerous ways. And it will happen to everyone eventually no matter how careful you are. I control what I can. Besides basic safety gear, I don't ride sharp foils.

Kamikuza
QLD, 4100 posts
7 Aug 2019 11:53PM
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Cut my head falling on ... some part of the board or foil. The only day I didn't wear a helmet, maybe third attempt at learning so trying to ride in a straight line.

Brushed the back of the stab with my toes walking through the waves; little slice on the top of the knuckles.

That's it. I don't get these people who thrash around so violently they're forever slicing themselves up like luncheon in a deli.

RAL INN
VIC, 2753 posts
8 Aug 2019 6:55PM
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All my shin scars are from the rear stabiliser during waterstarting.
All the kitemares were from the foil launching up into lines.
But the hurty bits were the face plants as Eppo pointed out.

but 2 years since those were added to.
Body learnt to avoid face plants plus I now use two inline straps that I stay in. Due to the soft Spitfire crashes that don't launch the foil upwards.
No more scars cause no more rear stabiliser.

But think of ways to protect your eardrums in those headfirst water impacts.

Swavek
WA, 305 posts
9 Aug 2019 8:10AM
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Got the value out of my helmet when learning the basics. It happens much less now - don't remember being hit in the head the last 50 sessions or so. I got a blue lip from the last tap I can remember. Don't turn your head back looking for your board for at least 5 seconds after forward crash. If the board is travelling towards you after crash I rather get a tap at my skull than at my face.

KIT33R
NSW, 1651 posts
9 Aug 2019 4:46PM
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I hate hitting the water with my eyes open and the occasional bite to the inside of my cheek. Apart from that it's a lot of fun.

Kamikuza
QLD, 4100 posts
9 Aug 2019 6:12PM
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KIT33R said..
I hate hitting the water with my eyes open and the occasional bite to the inside of my cheek. Apart from that it's a lot of fun.


I hate hitting the water mid-"Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu--"

wdric
NSW, 1622 posts
9 Aug 2019 8:03PM
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dont forget to learn to fall away from the foil, often on a twin tip or surfboard we try and dig in so we are not so far away from the board by the time we stop after falling, but if you dunno where the board is heading its best to try and glide across the water for a bit to get some distance from the foil ;0

Plummet
4521 posts
10 Aug 2019 1:36PM
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His speed death run smack downs are the worst as a newbie. The foil seems to hunt you down and smack into you all the time. After a while you find a technique to crash away from the foil regardless of the type of crash and foil impacts become a thing of the past.

GeoffD
WA, 60 posts
12 Aug 2019 10:07AM
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+1 for Helmet.

If you do come off the front, don't look back. Ever. The board may just follow you and smack you in the mouth. Half a centimetre either way and you'll end up with a cut lip (best case) or missing teeth (worst case). It'll hurt a lot regardless.

MikeyG
WA, 106 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 2:48AM
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Initial learning = manoeuvring the foil during waterstarting (kicking it) or bucking / breaching the foil then forgetting to throw yourself away from the gear as you come off.

After circa ten hours = the face / head slap at speed after a moment of in attention.

I've stopped wearing my helmet as it felt like it was making the head/face slaps harder due to the extra mass. But I think that's not my greatest idea!



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