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Flysurfer Peak5!

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Created by drsurf 8 months ago, 8 Dec 2021
drsurf
NSW, 151 posts
8 Dec 2021 1:32PM
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The new Flysurfer Peak5 has been announced flysurfer.com/project/peak5/
Keenly awaiting my shipment from Flysurfer. However COVID and supply chain issues have meant delays and shortages of stock for one of the most popular kites in the past 2 years. I still have some Peak4 kites in stock however

The performance characteristics of the Peak5 should make it even better for foiling, building on what was already a fantastic kite in the Peak4. The new 2.5m size should give us lightweight kiters an even better top end. Can't wait

Pat WA 1965
WA, 34 posts
9 Dec 2021 7:23AM
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Link to Flysurfer Promotional Vid:

drsurf
NSW, 151 posts
19 Feb 2022 12:47AM
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Finally I have received some sizes of Peak5 from Flysurfer, a few 5m, 6m, 8m and 13m so far. Not yet my favourite sizes of 4m and 2.5m (was 3m P4)
I was able to supply some of my customer orders and have a few Peak5's left and I kept a 5m for demo and myself. So after useless wind for a week I was able to fly the 5m a few times and see what difference there is compared to the Peak4.

Visually the Peak5's look good with new colours, new material, changes in the bridling and different bags. Slightly lighter as well. I rigged the 5m Peak5 on the Flysurfer Connect bar with 21m lines and hot launched it. Just flying the kite on the shore it feels a bit different, a little more responsive and punchy. I grabbed my foil with a new SABFoil W800 wing and went foiling. Immediately the the kite had more grunt getting me out of the water and onto the foil. It felt tighter and more responsive in the air and most of all had the light Peak feel but even better than the Peak4 equivalent Also virtually no flapping in the 10 -15 knot wind even when sheeted out.

A friend who weighs about 30kg more than my 65kg was on a 5m Peak4 so I gave him a go on the Peak5 as a back to back test. He confirmed what I found with the additional power, responsiveness and lack of flapping. To be honest when used correctly I don't really have flapping with my Peak4 kites but the canopy felt and looked smoother and tighter on the Peak5. My friend also crashed the kite into the water but was able to quickly reverse launch and then spin the kite to get it flying again

I also had a run in dying wind which was so light that I could barely keep the kite in the air when I gybed. I really had trouble getting going again after I dropped off the foil especially since I was only using an 840 sq cm high aspect foil. To the kites credit it was fast enough and powerful enough even in this sub 8 knot wind to just get me foiling again and the apparent wind made it feel like the wind was stronger. Until I got to the shore and came in where I found walking toward the kite downwind made it nearly fall from the sky unless I sheeted right out. For a 5m kite I was impressed. It definitely seems more efficient than the Peak4 in marginal wind and subjectively I felt the kite pointed a couple of degrees higher going upwind.

So far I haven't been able to put much time on this Peak5, but so far what flying time I have had show it has definitely improved on the Peak4. It's not so significant an improvement that you would bin your Peak4 kites and go all out Peak5. For a start the kites are in short supply and half the sizes have not been available yet. I love my Peak4's, they have made foiling more fun as well as simpler, easier and cheaper. I still have some Peak4 stock available in sizes I've yet to see in the Peak5. However it's good to know improvements are easy to notice in a new kite and the price increase for the new kites has been minimal. Love these Peak kites
If you're coming down the South Coast feel free to contact me for a demo.

Jhana
WA, 108 posts
24 Feb 2022 11:03AM
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drsurf said..
Finally I have received some sizes of Peak5 from Flysurfer, a few 5m, 6m, 8m and 13m so far. Not yet my favourite sizes of 4m and 2.5m (was 3m P4)
I was able to supply some of my customer orders and have a few Peak5's left and I kept a 5m for demo and myself. So after useless wind for a week I was able to fly the 5m a few times and see what difference there is compared to the Peak4.

Visually the Peak5's look good with new colours, new material, changes in the bridling and different bags. Slightly lighter as well. I rigged the 5m Peak5 on the Flysurfer Connect bar with 21m lines and hot launched it. Just flying the kite on the shore it feels a bit different, a little more responsive and punchy. I grabbed my foil with a new SABFoil W800 wing and went foiling. Immediately the the kite had more grunt getting me out of the water and onto the foil. It felt tighter and more responsive in the air and most of all had the light Peak feel but even better than the Peak4 equivalent Also virtually no flapping in the 10 -15 knot wind even when sheeted out.

A friend who weighs about 30kg more than my 65kg was on a 5m Peak4 so I gave him a go on the Peak5 as a back to back test. He confirmed what I found with the additional power, responsiveness and lack of flapping. To be honest when used correctly I don't really have flapping with my Peak4 kites but the canopy felt and looked smoother and tighter on the Peak5. My friend also crashed the kite into the water but was able to quickly reverse launch and then spin the kite to get it flying again

I also had a run in dying wind which was so light that I could barely keep the kite in the air when I gybed. I really had trouble getting going again after I dropped off the foil especially since I was only using an 840 sq cm high aspect foil. To the kites credit it was fast enough and powerful enough even in this sub 8 knot wind to just get me foiling again and the apparent wind made it feel like the wind was stronger. Until I got to the shore and came in where I found walking toward the kite downwind made it nearly fall from the sky unless I sheeted right out. For a 5m kite I was impressed. It definitely seems more efficient than the Peak4 in marginal wind and subjectively I felt the kite pointed a couple of degrees higher going upwind.

So far I haven't been able to put much time on this Peak5, but so far what flying time I have had show it has definitely improved on the Peak4. It's not so significant an improvement that you would bin your Peak4 kites and go all out Peak5. For a start the kites are in short supply and half the sizes have not been available yet. I love my Peak4's, they have made foiling more fun as well as simpler, easier and cheaper. I still have some Peak4 stock available in sizes I've yet to see in the Peak5. However it's good to know improvements are easy to notice in a new kite and the price increase for the new kites has been minimal. Love these Peak kites
If you're coming down the South Coast feel free to contact me for a demo.


The Batton's on the Peak5 are longer than the Peak4 by about 50cm, this may be the reason the Peak5 doesn't flap as much

drsurf
NSW, 151 posts
17 Apr 2022 10:34PM
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I've had the full range of Peak5 kites in stock for a couple of weeks now, (should have been here in December)
Anyway my favourite sizes, the 2.5m, (previously 3m in Peak4), and 4m have stayed in their bags as the wind has not cooperated and I was doubtful there would be enough wind at the end of this season to test the smaller kites.

However today was the day I'd been waiting for, a forecast of a decent sea breeze maybe over 20 knots!
When I got to the beach the wind was gusting to 13 knots on my hand held wind meter. Thinking it's got to be more out on the water I optimistically rigged the 2.5m Peak5 on 21m lines while others on the beach rigged 8-9m LEI kites for foiling, 12m LEI's for TT and surfboards and 4m-6m wingdings. For my stats I weigh 65kg and am using a Moses/SABfoil 679 front wing of 990 sq cm.

I hot launched the 2.5m Peak5, which looked like a trainer kite on the beach, and even smaller in the air! It was fast as expected and seemed to have enough power to get me onto the foil. When I got out to deep water the wind seemed to have dropped a bit but I was able pop up onto the foil with relative ease and foil further offshore to where I hoped the wind would be better which it was. It never felt like the wind picked up as much as forecast but I never had a problem staying on the foil even in the lulls. Checking the two live wind report stations within 5km after the session they indicated an average wind speed of 12-15 knots with gusts to 18 knots throughout the afternoon.

So how was 2.5m, the smallest kite on the beach apart from some trainer and toy kites? Amazingly good
I think I could have got by with the 4m Peak5 which I'm yet to foil with, (maybe tomorrow?). But I like to use the smallest kite I can so I can ride the foil more than be dragged by the kite. Some of the time I was sining the kite through the lulls but I had no problem going upwind and then riding the small wind swells back down through the Easter holiday crowd of kitesurfers, wingers and a couple of sailboarders who were vigorously mowing the lawn with the occasional collision. I was able to outpace most of the kitesurfers and other foilers across the wind even with my tiny kite. Granted none of us are top tier wind sports people

And the difference between the new 2.5m Peak5 and the previous 3m Peak4 kite? Not massively different. It's a bit hard to compare exactly after just one session with one kite but I'd say the differences were, the 2.5m Peak5 was faster and more responsive, (no surprise as it's smaller).
The 2.5m required a bit more attention in lulls as I had quite a bit of backstall set into the depower adjustment and it could stall if sheeted in underpowered. To be expected with a smaller kite
Better gust handling with the 2.5m, once again it's smaller so should be better, but it felt like it ran a bit closer to the edge of the window and I never used much depower when the wind was stronger except downwind foiling. Upwind felt a little better.
No noticeable flapping even depowered. This was never really a problem with my 3m Peak4 though as it's more of a technique issue except in ridiculously high wind.
Drift is of course fantastic though the Peak5 feels more responsive to turning when using some depower.

Need more time on these Peak5 kites to really feel the difference. But if you have Peak4 kites they're still good The Peak5 is a little better in my testing so far and the characteristics which have made the Peak kites so good for foiling are now even better.

drsurf
NSW, 151 posts
3 May 2022 11:25PM
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Before the seabreeze completely finished for winter it had one last puff today, enough to try my new 4m Peak5. After a few trips to the beach where the wind did not blow as forecast, today it was gusting up to 11 knots on the beach with my wind meter, good enough for the 4m

I've previously used the 4m Peak4 and it was a fantastic kite, it was perfect for 10 to 16 knot seabreezes which are common in summer. So I wanted to see how the Peak5 version performed. Hotlaunching the kite on the beach it felt like there was plenty of power to get my 65kg up on my 990 sq cm foil. When I got to deep enough water a couple of figure eights across the window and I was up on the foil.

There were no other kiters about but there were two wingdingers on 4m and 5m wings from Sydney further out on the bay who were only intermittently foiling. I was able to easily foil upwind and ride some small wind chop downwind riding left and right as the chop appeared and subsided. The kite was as easy to fly as the previous model and only a few small differences. It felt a bit tighter and more responsive and there was virtually no flapping when fully depowered foiling on wave power. It pointed a little higher upwind and drifted possibly slightly better than the Peak4.

The wind did pick up a little and the wingdingers were able to get themselves foiling most of the time. Spent a little time foiling with them. I felt a bit sorry for them as it was harder work for them to stay foiling and I was able to easily outpace them and point higher.

Very happy with these new Peak5 kites. Virtually all kites nowadays are only incremental improvements on what has preceded them apart from material advances like Aluula. The Peak5 kites are made from a tougher fabric than the Peak4 kites and they are slightly lighter and definitely have improved on what was already a fantastic kite for foiling. Still the Peak4 kites I've sold which are over 2 years old are still going strong and in excellent condition. A kite designed for snowkiting up a mountain isn't going to be stressed pulling someone on a hydrofoil

MarTrench
14 posts
4 May 2022 7:31AM
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I've heard there are hints that a new "hybrid" single skin Flysurfer kite aimed at hydrofoiling is under development. Will be interesting to see how the weight/drift compares to the Peaks...

drsurf
NSW, 151 posts
4 May 2022 11:19PM
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The rumour about a Flysurfer hybrid kite has been around for a while. There is a video somewhere of them trying the concept some years ago. Gin has the Marabou and Sky Country has the Hysper which are both hybrid style kites. However they haven't been as popular as the Peak5 or as accessible and affordable.

While I think there will be more hybrid kites someday, it's hard to see how they will match the Peak4/5 kites for lightness, performance and affordability. In my experience the Peak's are so easy to fly with a good foil, reasonable skill will keep the kites out of the water. Over the past 8 months on Peak4 & 5 kites I can't remember having to swim in with a downed kite. The only drop in the water I had recently was not paying attention in a very light wind gybe when my 5m Peak5 lost line tension and collapsed. I was able to relaunch the kite quite easily, something I think the Peak5's are better at.

I do sell Flysurfer kites so there's no doubt some bias in my posts. However my Peak customers are fervent Peak users and once they've used a Peak they tend to buy more and rarely use their other kites for foiling. They are somewhat addictive

KBGhost
QLD, 203 posts
5 May 2022 7:01AM
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I don't really see the point tbh, a hybrid wouldn't give me a great feeling of security over a single skin - I would need to go inflatable for that. And to be honest the only time I've really ended up in trouble and swept out a river mouth and into a circular rip in the surf zone with the sun a bit low for comfort, it was a broken rope spreader and no kite would have relaunched, although I could have floated through the night with more security on an inflatable, if it came to that.

As for Hysper they are very new and also made in Ukraine, so I don't think it's fair to say they haven't been popular, they haven't had the chance yet.

I have been addicted to the p4's however I'm personally moving away from them a bit as I want more raw power and better upwind ability. I will keep them for when I'm using a large wing, they pair beautifully with a bigger wing and slower foiling, but not so good for the faster more powered riding, which is where I'm heading these days.

Caribcat
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8 May 2022 9:52PM
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Hi Guys, I'm jumping on this thread as finding info on the Peak 5 here in the UK a little short, hope that's OK. I'm currently using a Soul 10 on 15m lines but am looking at replacing with a Peak 5 5m or 6m. I'm 76 kg riding Lift Foils 700-1100cm2 and am looking for the perfect 10 -16 knot kite. I'm in North Wales so wind is nice and dense. With the Peak 4 everyone would recommend the 5m as the sweet spot kite from what I have read. What about the Peak 5? Get the 5m and be done with it or get the 6m and consider something smaller in the future if I like it? Thanks for any help you can offer.

Jhana
WA, 108 posts
8 May 2022 11:21PM
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Caribcat said..
Hi Guys, I'm jumping on this thread as finding info on the Peak 5 here in the UK a little short, hope that's OK. I'm currently using a Soul 10 on 15m lines but am looking at replacing with a Peak 5 5m or 6m. I'm 76 kg riding Lift Foils 700-1100cm2 and am looking for the perfect 10 -16 knot kite. I'm in North Wales so wind is nice and dense. With the Peak 4 everyone would recommend the 5m as the sweet spot kite from what I have read. What about the Peak 5? Get the 5m and be done with it or get the 6m and consider something smaller in the future if I like it? Thanks for any help you can offer.


With 10kts you will struggle with a 5m Peak, I would go a 6m for your low end kiting

Caribcat
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9 May 2022 5:45PM
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Jhana said..

Caribcat said..
Hi Guys, I'm jumping on this thread as finding info on the Peak 5 here in the UK a little short, hope that's OK. I'm currently using a Soul 10 on 15m lines but am looking at replacing with a Peak 5 5m or 6m. I'm 76 kg riding Lift Foils 700-1100cm2 and am looking for the perfect 10 -16 knot kite. I'm in North Wales so wind is nice and dense. With the Peak 4 everyone would recommend the 5m as the sweet spot kite from what I have read. What about the Peak 5? Get the 5m and be done with it or get the 6m and consider something smaller in the future if I like it? Thanks for any help you can offer.



With 10kts you will struggle with a 5m Peak, I would go a 6m for your low end kiting


That's great -not what I expected however, but what I needed to know.

drsurf
NSW, 151 posts
10 May 2022 3:00AM
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Caribcat said..
Hi Guys, I'm jumping on this thread as finding info on the Peak 5 here in the UK a little short, hope that's OK. I'm currently using a Soul 10 on 15m lines but am looking at replacing with a Peak 5 5m or 6m. I'm 76 kg riding Lift Foils 700-1100cm2 and am looking for the perfect 10 -16 knot kite. I'm in North Wales so wind is nice and dense. With the Peak 4 everyone would recommend the 5m as the sweet spot kite from what I have read. What about the Peak 5? Get the 5m and be done with it or get the 6m and consider something smaller in the future if I like it? Thanks for any help you can offer.


It's surprising how well the 5m performs. One of my Peak4 customers is around 100kg and he uses a 5m for lighter wind and 4m for stronger days. There is a small improvement in low end power with the Peak5 and if the wind was mainly over 10 knots I think a 5m would do with your larger foil. Both 5 & 6 are fun sizes but the 5m is faster = more fun

It's disappointing you can't find any Peak users in the UK considering how popular they are. It would be worth your while to try before you buy and I'm sure any Peak owner would be happy to give you a go.

tim111
ACT, 57 posts
11 May 2022 3:00AM
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Hey All. I would like to understand how the performance of the peak5 compares to the peak4 in the larger sizes. Has anyone had experience with both and can speak to that? Is the difference significant enough that there would be a noticeable difference in flight characteristics?

Doctorlactic
VIC, 4 posts
13 May 2022 2:25PM
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Caribcat said..
Hi Guys, I'm jumping on this thread as finding info on the Peak 5 here in the UK a little short, hope that's OK. I'm currently using a Soul 10 on 15m lines but am looking at replacing with a Peak 5 5m or 6m. I'm 76 kg riding Lift Foils 700-1100cm2 and am looking for the perfect 10 -16 knot kite. I'm in North Wales so wind is nice and dense. With the Peak 4 everyone would recommend the 5m as the sweet spot kite from what I have read. What about the Peak 5? Get the 5m and be done with it or get the 6m and consider something smaller in the future if I like it? Thanks for any help you can offer.


Caribcat, I've a Soul 10m as well. I purchased an 8m Peak from the Good Doctor and loved it so much I added a 5m and a 13m to the quiver! The 8m is so much fun I actually TT on it when others are on 13-17m LEI's as well as foil. I reckon the Soul 10 is hard work and feels large compared to the nimble 8m Peak or even the 13. At 78kg and a relative newbie, I actually like the larger sizes as they are slow to fall from the sky if I mess up. The 5m is super fast and for me, lesser used partly because I enjoy foiling most in that 8-12 knot range. The Peak lets you easily kill the power when slightly overpowered. The power delivery in the kite is super smooth and the bar pressure is light on all sizes. Upwind ability is reasonable though better with smaller sizes in strong wing but won't match the Soul. My 8m weighs about 1kg and my 13m about 1.4kg. Grab one!

drsurf
NSW, 151 posts
14 May 2022 12:17AM
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tim111 said..
Hey All. I would like to understand how the performance of the peak5 compares to the peak4 in the larger sizes. Has anyone had experience with both and can speak to that? Is the difference significant enough that there would be a noticeable difference in flight characteristics?


Hi tim111.
Although I've tried Peak4 and Peak5 kites in a range of sizes I've only tried the Peak5 in 5m, 4m and 2.5m. These kites matched what I used in the Peak4 sizes though I have used the Peak4 in 8m and 13m.

So although it's not directly answering your question re the large sizes, in general compared to the Peak4 the Peak5 kites feel tighter and more responsive, point upwind slightly higher and have a little more grunt at the bottom end of their range and are more comfortable at the top end of their range. Also I've dropped the 5m once in a light wind gybe and found it relaunched quite easily.

If you're after the best flight characteristics definitely go for the Peak5. But it's not a massive change from the Peak4, which is still a great kite, and both Peaks are fun on the water or snow



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