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Big guys foiling setup

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Created by FoS 2 months ago, 2 Sep 2019
FoS
TAS, 1646 posts
10 Sep 2019 10:47AM
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www.thekiteboarder.com/2019/05/umbrella-foiling/

Puetz
NT, 2143 posts
12 Sep 2019 12:37PM
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hey FoS,

how'd go on your new foil?

Robbie

FoS
TAS, 1646 posts
13 Sep 2019 6:34AM
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The duotone arrived lastnight. By the time i put it together there was 30 min to sunset and yhe wind was pretty light.

Hopefully i can get a go this arvo after work

Puetz
NT, 2143 posts
17 Sep 2019 9:51AM
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FoS said..
The duotone arrived lastnight. By the time i put it together there was 30 min to sunset and yhe wind was pretty light.

Hopefully i can get a go this arvo after work


... hey FoS,

did the wind/conditions play ball for you, any luck on testing your new foil?

Cheers,

Robbie

FoS
TAS, 1646 posts
18 Sep 2019 12:28PM
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FoS said..
The duotone arrived lastnight. By the time i put it together there was 30 min to sunset and yhe wind was pretty light.

Hopefully i can get a go this arvo after work



... hey FoS,

did the wind/conditions play ball for you, any luck on testing your new foil?

Cheers,

Robbie


So I got out yesterday - not really Ideal conditions a bit light and gusty but ...

I really feel like I'm starting again. The double agents lift is so small that it was fairly easy to manage.
While on the duotone Surf wing, i've placed my back foot about 4 inches in front of the mast to stop porpoising.

Out of 2 hour session I probably got 10 minutes glide.
And the forecast down here is flat out northerlies or nothing for the next week, so we'll see how we go.

Puetz
NT, 2143 posts
19 Sep 2019 10:36AM
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Puetz said..


FoS said..
The duotone arrived lastnight. By the time i put it together there was 30 min to sunset and yhe wind was pretty light.

Hopefully i can get a go this arvo after work




... hey FoS,

did the wind/conditions play ball for you, any luck on testing your new foil?

Cheers,

Robbie



So I got out yesterday - not really Ideal conditions a bit light and gusty but ...

I really feel like I'm starting again. The double agents lift is so small that it was fairly easy to manage.
While on the duotone Surf wing, i've placed my back foot about 4 inches in front of the mast to stop porpoising.

Out of 2 hour session I probably got 10 minutes glide.
And the forecast down here is flat out northerlies or nothing for the next week, so we'll see how we go.


... yeah it's the downside to having high performance equipment, they tend not to be the easiest to initially learn on,,,,,, but you will definitely be grateful for that performance when you get used to it. I'm starting to really appreciate how good the Spirit Carve is now and have mucho fun on it.

Hang in there, it might feel like it takes a bit of time but well worth it in the end,,,, guaranteed!!

Cheers for now,

Robbie :)

eppo
WA, 7339 posts
19 Sep 2019 2:13PM
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by the looks of your avatar picture you never got started in the first place....

just jokes. It will click, won't take as long as learning to foil the first time. Went through a horrid time just moving from the estuary to the ocean with waves...then prone foil on a surfboard, Then onto the SUP - different again. All good man, enjoy the crashes .

Puetz
NT, 2143 posts
20 Sep 2019 7:57AM
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Puetz said..



FoS said..
The duotone arrived lastnight. By the time i put it together there was 30 min to sunset and yhe wind was pretty light.

Hopefully i can get a go this arvo after work





... hey FoS,

did the wind/conditions play ball for you, any luck on testing your new foil?

Cheers,

Robbie




So I got out yesterday - not really Ideal conditions a bit light and gusty but ...

I really feel like I'm starting again. The double agents lift is so small that it was fairly easy to manage.
While on the duotone Surf wing, i've placed my back foot about 4 inches in front of the mast to stop porpoising.

Out of 2 hour session I probably got 10 minutes glide.
And the forecast down here is flat out northerlies or nothing for the next week, so we'll see how we go.



... yeah it's the downside to having high performance equipment, they tend not to be the easiest to initially learn on,,,,,, but you will definitely be grateful for that performance when you get used to it. I'm starting to really appreciate how good the Spirit Carve is now and have mucho fun on it.

Hang in there, it might feel like it takes a bit of time but well worth it in the end,,,, guaranteed!!

Cheers for now,

Robbie :)


... forgot to ask FoS,,,,, do you have access to a smaller front wing,,,, or just the Surf (1250cm2 wing)?

FoS
TAS, 1646 posts
20 Sep 2019 12:55PM
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Puetz said..




FoS said..
The duotone arrived lastnight. By the time i put it together there was 30 min to sunset and yhe wind was pretty light.

Hopefully i can get a go this arvo after work






... hey FoS,

did the wind/conditions play ball for you, any luck on testing your new foil?

Cheers,

Robbie





So I got out yesterday - not really Ideal conditions a bit light and gusty but ...

I really feel like I'm starting again. The double agents lift is so small that it was fairly easy to manage.
While on the duotone Surf wing, i've placed my back foot about 4 inches in front of the mast to stop porpoising.

Out of 2 hour session I probably got 10 minutes glide.
And the forecast down here is flat out northerlies or nothing for the next week, so we'll see how we go.




... yeah it's the downside to having high performance equipment, they tend not to be the easiest to initially learn on,,,,,, but you will definitely be grateful for that performance when you get used to it. I'm starting to really appreciate how good the Spirit Carve is now and have mucho fun on it.

Hang in there, it might feel like it takes a bit of time but well worth it in the end,,,, guaranteed!!

Cheers for now,

Robbie :)



... forgot to ask FoS,,,,, do you have access to a smaller front wing,,,, or just the Surf (1250cm2 wing)?


Just the surf, I umm'ed and arrr;ed around this or the next one down.

Puetz
NT, 2143 posts
20 Sep 2019 2:46PM
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FoS said..
The duotone arrived lastnight. By the time i put it together there was 30 min to sunset and yhe wind was pretty light.

Hopefully i can get a go this arvo after work







... hey FoS,

did the wind/conditions play ball for you, any luck on testing your new foil?

Cheers,

Robbie






So I got out yesterday - not really Ideal conditions a bit light and gusty but ...

I really feel like I'm starting again. The double agents lift is so small that it was fairly easy to manage.
While on the duotone Surf wing, i've placed my back foot about 4 inches in front of the mast to stop porpoising.

Out of 2 hour session I probably got 10 minutes glide.
And the forecast down here is flat out northerlies or nothing for the next week, so we'll see how we go.





... yeah it's the downside to having high performance equipment, they tend not to be the easiest to initially learn on,,,,,, but you will definitely be grateful for that performance when you get used to it. I'm starting to really appreciate how good the Spirit Carve is now and have mucho fun on it.

Hang in there, it might feel like it takes a bit of time but well worth it in the end,,,, guaranteed!!

Cheers for now,

Robbie :)




... forgot to ask FoS,,,,, do you have access to a smaller front wing,,,, or just the Surf (1250cm2 wing)?



Just the surf, I umm'ed and arrr;ed around this or the next one down.


... ahhh ok, cool. Reason I asked is that it is easier, initially anyway, to use a smaller front wing even when guys like us are in the Clydesdale class. Of course later the big wing is better.

Any crew around you that can lend you a smaller wing for a weekend?? I reckon a few sessions on a smaller one will help, then go back to your big one.

Oh and use your normal size kite, same as if you were on your TT or surfboard. Guaranteed you'll be on smaller kites later on but for now, use ya normal size kite. Apart from the power may be a bit much, the counter to that is having a familiar feeling kite in your hands lets you concentrate a bit more on handling the foil and not a different feeling kite. I started on my 17m Juice and once I got used to the foil I swapped to my 14m and with even more experience under my belt, I'm on my 9m,,,, yes,,, in the same winds I'd usually be on my 17m,,,,, crazy to think hey!

Anyway, keep at it, its sooo worth it.

Cheers,

Robbie :)




high as a kite
SA, 1306 posts
23 Sep 2019 1:56PM
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Oh and use your normal size kite, same as if you were on your TT or surfboard. Guaranteed you'll be on smaller kites later on but for now, use ya normal size kite. Apart from the power may be a bit much, the counter to that is having a familiar feeling kite in your hands lets you concentrate a bit more on handling the foil and not a different feeling kite. I started on my 17m Juice and once I got used to the foil I swapped to my 14m and with even more experience under my belt, I'm on my 9m,,,, yes,,, in the same winds I'd usually be on my 17m,,,,, crazy to think hey!

A

Cheers,

Robbie :)







Hey Robbie, when your on a smaller kite how much more do you need to sign it to keep you going in the lighter winds?
I must admit I still use the same kite that I would on a surfboard to get my fat behind around

Puetz
NT, 2143 posts
23 Sep 2019 3:18PM
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Puetz said..

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Oh and use your normal size kite, same as if you were on your TT or surfboard. Guaranteed you'll be on smaller kites later on but for now, use ya normal size kite. Apart from the power may be a bit much, the counter to that is having a familiar feeling kite in your hands lets you concentrate a bit more on handling the foil and not a different feeling kite. I started on my 17m Juice and once I got used to the foil I swapped to my 14m and with even more experience under my belt, I'm on my 9m,,,, yes,,, in the same winds I'd usually be on my 17m,,,,, crazy to think hey!

A

Cheers,

Robbie :)








Hey Robbie, when your on a smaller kite how much more do you need to sign it to keep you going in the lighter winds?
I must admit I still use the same kite that I would on a surfboard to get my fat behind around


... it might be an obvious answer but I don't need particularly much more power once going of course.

If I'm just powered and normal diving/signing of the kite isn't quite enough to get me going, I loop the kite a couple times and it drags me up and usually off and running so to speak. I'm using my 9m Neo more and more now, maybe its the power of the Neo's but I can use it in lower and lower winds, much lower than I ever dared imagine.

I have been caught out with not enough wind but so is everyone else, its not like the lighter guys have the advantage anymore. Hydrofoils are an even more level playing field for us big boys when it comes to low wind kiting.

Cheers,

Robbie :)

Kamikuza
QLD, 4435 posts
23 Sep 2019 6:59PM
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I could go from a 21m foil kite to the 10m LEI. The winds I'd need the 21m for would be so borderline that I wouldn't be able to relaunch the kite if I made a small error. And I'd be riding in straight lines, doing nothing else. There sure as heck would be no swell to ride.

Needed the 21m and long lines for the single, long power stroke.

Basically, if I can't ride with the 10m SB, I shouldn't even bother cos I won't be able to relaunch it and it'll be boring.

Like Puetz said, smaller faster kites that make power from movement are a whole lot more fun and useful.

Puetz
NT, 2143 posts
24 Sep 2019 8:12AM
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... mind you,,,, I have to admit, I still like the feeling of power so I don't always want a smaller kite,,,,my Leopard spots haven't changed too much, I always have liked the feeling of power from a kite,,, a function of being in the Clydesdale class I guess.

Kamikuza
QLD, 4435 posts
24 Sep 2019 8:48PM
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... mind you,,,, I have to admit, I still like the feeling of power so I don't always want a smaller kite,,,,my Leopard spots haven't changed too much, I always have liked the feeling of power from a kite,,, a function of being in the Clydesdale class I guess.



I like not having to work the kite, and don't want to fight the kite when I'm "surfing".
Feeling kite power while foiling is like having to listen to the wife nag while you're trying to watch something on TV. And I have zero interest in going fast

Although amusingly enough, I was chasing one of the race boys on his 15m foil kite and Levitaz race gear, and while he was pointing a tad higher I was sitting right on his tail. We were only going ~30kph though...

FoS
TAS, 1646 posts
26 Sep 2019 6:13AM
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So took the foil out with a 9m ozone. The twitchier kite made me concentrate, but also the extra front wing area and mast length really changed it up. With a bit of extra pace the lift is incredible. How can something so small force me so much.
I spent the entire session, 30 min, trying to hold it down to thw water.
To quote a poley, "is he on a foil? He must be hes spending to much time in the water."

This weekend looks like i might get some serious water time to get a feel for it.

Puetz
NT, 2143 posts
26 Sep 2019 8:37AM
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So took the foil out with a 9m ozone. The twitchier kite made me concentrate, but also the extra front wing area and mast length really changed it up. With a bit of extra pace the lift is incredible. How can something so small force me so much.
I spent the entire session, 30 min, trying to hold it down to thw water.
To quote a poley, "is he on a foil? He must be hes spending to much time in the water."

This weekend looks like i might get some serious water time to get a feel for it.


... ha ha, the forces we choose to dabble in, all in the name of fun, are exponential,,,, they just don't double on you, they quadruple on you, especially when water is involved!

I still get amazed how moving a piece of cloth in the air held down by string while standing on some foam, covered in fibres attached to a length of aluminium with a few strategically placed sheets of carbon can manhandle with ease 125kg like its not even there all with the aim to hover above water,,,, yep,,,, amazing the forces involved,,,,, I guess it's up to us to balance them all hey.

Good luck this weekend.

Robbie

Kamikuza
QLD, 4435 posts
26 Sep 2019 11:41AM
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So took the foil out with a 9m ozone. The twitchier kite made me concentrate, but also the extra front wing area and mast length really changed it up. With a bit of extra pace the lift is incredible. How can something so small force me so much.
I spent the entire session, 30 min, trying to hold it down to thw water.
To quote a poley, "is he on a foil? He must be hes spending to much time in the water."

This weekend looks like i might get some serious water time to get a feel for it.




You gotta move your CoG around over the wing. Either move the mast forward or most likely backward, or move your feet, until you feel balanced... Constant even pressure on both feet like you're standing in an elevator going up.

Shouldn't be getting large changes in trim with speed, you're probably just loading the board up and because you've not trimmed yourself properly.

FoS
TAS, 1646 posts
6 Oct 2019 5:36PM
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Thanks everyone for their help in this selection.
The winds down here have been less than ideal but got out Saturday arvo.
The video attached was a light day and the crash at the end was because there may be rocks and I wanted to stop without damaging the wing


The kite is a 12m switchblade

Kamikuza
QLD, 4435 posts
6 Oct 2019 7:55PM
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Nice one!

Always be ready to bail in the shallows -- get your knees up and your weight off the board. Riding the board all the way into the bottom is a recipe for destruction

bigtone667
NSW, 1089 posts
7 Oct 2019 5:14PM
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Nicely done....

Puetz
NT, 2143 posts
5 Nov 2019 10:46AM
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... hey FoS,

how's the foiling going now, lucky enough get some more time on the water??

Cheers,

Robbie :)

FoS
TAS, 1646 posts
Sunday , 10 Nov 2019 6:18PM
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... hey FoS,

how's the foiling going now, lucky enough get some more time on the water??

Cheers,

Robbie :)


Hey Puetz,
I haven't been around much, but hoping for some real action on the foil in the next few weeks.
I've managed 3 weeks in WA - just me -a camper van , 2 kites and a foil and a OC mako.

Going to try foiling in sandy Bay Exmouth hopefully ( never seen it)

The weather in Hobart has been OFF or ON session going from 5 to 35 knots
So I've been avoiding the foil

Puetz
NT, 2143 posts
Monday , 11 Nov 2019 8:01AM
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Puetz said..
... hey FoS,

how's the foiling going now, lucky enough get some more time on the water??

Cheers,

Robbie :)



Hey Puetz,
I haven't been around much, but hoping for some real action on the foil in the next few weeks.
I've managed 3 weeks in WA - just me -a camper van , 2 kites and a foil and a OC mako.

Going to try foiling in sandy Bay Exmouth hopefully ( never seen it)

The weather in Hobart has been OFF or ON session going from 5 to 35 knots
So I've been avoiding the foil


,,, I reckon with 3 weeks in WA you'll surely get some time on the water.

Yeah I wondered how you'd go with the gusty winds Hobart gets, learning can be impossible. But if I remember rightly, summer should be better especially with the seabreezes and I reckon by then you'll be charging on your foil.

Cool as, have fun,

Robbie



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